Carreening

[robforbes]

Hi
Does anyone know if there is a commercially available set of adjustable boat legs for the purpose of careening? I have a Holland 25 with a fin keel and the boat weighs less than two ton. I'm just sick of paying excessive haul out fees for such a small boat just to antifoul.
Scallywag

[WanderingStar]

I'm don't think I would careen a fin keel boat. There's a current thread about boat legs on the WoodenBoat Forum. Have you thought of trailering it for painting?

[robforbes]

Thanks Wanderingstar. I'm exploring all alternate options for working on the bottom of my boat while cruising. One needs to keep the thinking lateral.
Scallywag

[tager]

You can careen a fin keel boat. Just be extra careful. I would advise port and starboard legs as well as something on the stern. Boat Legs

You need to be extra careful with a fin keeled boat, though, and make sure the places where you attach the legs are very strong. Also, supporting the keel might be an issue on softer bottoms.

I don't think I would do this with my particular boat. Haida 26 but I am pretty confident that it is viable. Just riskier than with a long keel, or a boat with less draft.

I careened my previous boat, an Islander Bahama 24 with no ill effects, but it was a bombproof thick glass hull and a full keel with a keel hung rudder.
I talked to someone who had their Haida 26 actually fall off the stands in the yard, landing sideways, the hull was fine.

I agree, haulouts are a bit expensive when all you want to do is minor stuff.

[Fstbttms]

Originally Posted by robforbes

Hi
Does anyone know if there is a commercially available set of adjustable boat legs for the purpose of careening? I have a Holland 25 with a fin keel and the boat weighs less than two ton. I'm just sick of paying excessive haul out fees for such a small boat just to antifoul.
Scallywag

Could there be a less environmentally-friendly way to maintain your boat than careening? There's a reason yards are expensive- they have to filter and dispose of all the nasty crap that comes off your boat. Crap that you'd apparently just as soon see go directly into the environment, all for the sake of saving a couple of bucks. Nice attitude.

[AdamLein]

Originally Posted by Fstbttms

Could there be a less environmentally-friendly way to maintain your boat than careening? There's a reason yards are expensive- they have to filter and dispose of all the nasty crap that comes off your boat.

Haul-outs are expensive even if you discount the "environmental fee" that they tack on.

Crap that you'd apparently just as soon see go directly into the environment, all for the sake of saving a couple of bucks. Nice attitude.

Are you opposed to the use of ablative paint?

[Fstbttms]

Originally Posted by AdamLein

Are you opposed to the use of ablative paint?

Absolutely.

[AdamLein]

Originally Posted by Fstbttms

Absolutely.

Or come to think of it, antifouling paints in general? My understanding is that even hard paints work by leaching some toxic copper compound into the water...

[Fstbttms]

Originally Posted by AdamLein

Or come to think of it, antifouling paints in general? My understanding is that even hard paints work by leaching some toxic copper compound into the water...

That's how anti fouling paints work- by leaching a toxin into the water. Are you trying to make a point here?

Look, we live in a technological, industrialized society. Our lifestyle is going to produce pollution. There's no way around it. We should all to do what we can to minimize it. But to go out of your way to introduce pollution directly into our waterways? That's a dick move. Why not pour your used motor oil down the storm drain? Same thing. Yes, it takes a little more effort and costs more (in some cases) to be green (or as green as possible). But it's the right thing to do.

[AdamLein]

Fair enough. And I can see it being distinctly challenging to clean up after yourself while careened.

I guess my point was that I expect that by the time you want to reapply antifouling, so much toxic material would be gone already that the damage has been done. If you want to prevent pollution, you should just advocate against the use of antifouling paints to begin with, and instead recommend cleaning the hull on a regular basis. Which brings us back to careening