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I really doubt that you would ever recoup the substantial amount of money required to install such a system.
Absolutley true. It was already installed when I bought it, and added very little cost to the purchase price compared to same make/model/year/condition vessels that are tiller steered. However, there are few, if any, improvements that can be made in which one could hope to recoup even most of the cost of upon resale. I've put more into refitting/improving my boat than I paid for it, I knew that going in, I have no regrets.
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Re: Change Out Tiller for Wheel & Binnacle

Well according to this:

SEAFARER 26 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com

It must have been a factory option.

Even so, I'd be in the 'don't bother' camp. Our own boat would be a much better, more comfortable boat under sail if she had a tiller instead of a wheel. However the extensive summer cruising we do, and the existing setup with binnacle-mounted plotter and autohelm, along the the folding cockpit table makes changing what we've got a bit of a complicated handful. Where to have our bacon and eggs on a warm summer morn? Where to put the other stuff?

.... hmmm..... now it occurs to me that I'm pretty much making your case...

It will be pricey, and a tad difficult to add all the hardware after the fact, not much room and probably marginal access now. And at 26 feet, adding the weight aft like that, and then moving the helmsman aft behind that, will not do much for the boat's balance and performance.

If you do decide to do it, check out Edson's rigid link and lever steering over the tradition quadrant and cable. http://www.fisheriessupply.com/edson...ring-pedestals

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Re: Change Out Tiller for Wheel & Binnacle

Now for the bad news, and an answer to your original query Red raider....

http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/w...pdfs/S-933.pdf

http://www.edsonmarine.com/products/prices.pdf

You're looking in the neighborhood of $4-5K retail just for the hardware for the conversion, then you have to install it or pay to have it installed, on a boat in what I imagine is in the range of $5-10k.

So forget that all that crap I said about how great a wheel is, a tiller is just fine.
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Re: Change Out Tiller for Wheel & Binnacle

You clever sailors have convinced me. However, I don't want to spend too much, I think I will just screw an orange crate to the cockpit sole and I can hang all our paraphernalia on that.

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Re: Change Out Tiller for Wheel & Binnacle

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Well according to this:

SEAFARER 26 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com

It must have been a factory option.

Even so, I'd be in the 'don't bother' camp. Our own boat would be a much better, more comfortable boat under sail if she had a tiller instead of a wheel. However the extensive summer cruising we do, and the existing setup with binnacle-mounted plotter and autohelm, along the the folding cockpit table makes changing what we've got a bit of a complicated handful. Where to have our bacon and eggs on a warm summer morn? Where to put the other stuff?

.... hmmm..... now it occurs to me that I'm pretty much making your case...

It will be pricey, and a tad difficult to add all the hardware after the fact, not much room and probably marginal access now. And at 26 feet, adding the weight aft like that, and then moving the helmsman aft behind that, will not do much for the boat's balance and performance.

If you do decide to do it, check out Edson's rigid link and lever steering over the tradition quadrant and cable. CD-i Geared Steering Pedestals
So the wheel was an option? wouldn't that be awkward with a tiller and that "T" shaped cockpit. Im a firm believer in that link setup Edson offers. Its just like the stock setup on my CS, Whitlock system. Nice for packaging, more durable and takes up less space than those pulleys. I'm surprised its not more widely used.
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Re: Change Out Tiller for Wheel & Binnacle

I think if I were to convert that to wheel, I would consider one of the Edson rack systems, instead of a binnacle/wheel arrangement.
The rack systems are as bulletproof as a tiller (no cables to break), and don't get in the way like a binnacle wheel does (or like a tiller does when sailing)

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Re: Change Out Tiller for Wheel & Binnacle

I want to preface this by saying this is just my opinion. Don't do it. It will take up too much room, and honestly you aren't getting much bang for your buck so to speak. We have an Ericson 29, which was originally setup for a tiller. At some point one of the P.O.s added a wheel and binnacle. The way it was installed was to add a wooden box on top of the existing tiller fitting, and then the plumbing for the wheel is inside this box. With this setup, the only way to get behind the wheel is to climb up on the seating and then down aft of the wheel. This makes changing the person behind the helm a pain in the butt and really cuts down on cockpit space.

Good luck on what you decide to do.

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I don't think I would want wheel steering on a 26' boat. I just don't like unnecessary moving parts to brake and maintain, but I realise everyone has different priorities.

I can only think of one advantage to wheel steering in a small boat, and that is comfort/ergonomics, which can actually be very important to many people, myself included.

An alternative to wheel steering might be a telescoping tiller extension. A telescoping tiller extension might actually give more options to change your seating position and will almost definitely cost much less.

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Re: Change Out Tiller for Wheel & Binnacle

It's too easy and fun to rig up your own homemade or store-bought tiller tamer.
And bungee cord line is pretty cool.

The 'feel' for the rudder is also different.
With tiller you are closer to 1:1 contact.
And if you ever want to go hard over fast....bang, you're there in under 2 sec.
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Re: Change Out Tiller for Wheel & Binnacle

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An alternative to wheel steering might be a telescoping tiller extension. A telescoping tiller extension might actually give more options to change your seating position and will almost definitely cost much less.
This is actually a very good suggestion and certainly much more economical than converting to a wheel. My 34 footer originally had a tiller and a p.o. converted it to a wheel. Then a later p.o. thankfully ripped it all out and I much prefer a tiller. I do, however, have a telescoping tiller extension that makes a huge difference when I want to sit up on the coaming and remember what it was like on my Laser as a kid.

If you are set on a wheel, find a boat with it already installed.
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