Can You Buy Safety? - Page 3 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Contributing Authors > Seamanship Articles
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree8Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #21  
Old 03-27-2009
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St. Peters, MO
Posts: 26
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Guzzi is on a distinguished road
You can buy all the safety gear you want. One must PRACTICE safety at all times or any amount of gear is useless.
__________________
Knowledgeable enough to be dangerous
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #22  
Old 06-16-2010
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 35
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Diceman is on a distinguished road
Very Good Article on Safety.
Diceman
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #23  
Old 12-14-2011
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 70
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 5
RedtheBear is on a distinguished road
The Bears' two cents worth:
Excelent article to be sure, if only everyone would read it. As I was taught my first safety officer and reinforced on every job I ever held is, the best piece of safety equipment you will ever have is the 2+ pound brain between your ears-if you will use it!
Think before you do anything and don't become part of the problem.
oysterman23 likes this.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #24  
Old 01-05-2012
RatHatDiver's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Sunny San Diego
Posts: 81
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 4
RatHatDiver is on a distinguished road
No your local sailing area very well. The Wife and I were watching the RedBull event in San Diego harbor for new years eve. After the guys made there jump, we headed back to our slip in heavy fog. Maybe 50' of visibility. We were also in a rented Ben 34. Our trip back was more exciting than watching those guys jump 250' over the water. We made it back with no problems and it was a great experience for the both of us.
__________________
Your Dreams minus your doubts equals your net worth(Life favors the fearless)

Last edited by RatHatDiver; 01-05-2012 at 02:14 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #25  
Old 08-04-2012
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Sacremento delta
Posts: 35
Thanks: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Woodvet is on a distinguished road
Re: Can You Buy Safety?

The key to surviving disaster is to drill so often that your reaction is down packed. That way the extenuating circumstance is only an annoyance.
I think I need not ask what you think of smoking dope or drinking underway. They are many a right, or acceptable risk. May be -but not on a boat...
I have a very good sense of humor but it has no basis in alcohol or dope. They are not "the life of the party" that's an illusion or myth.
Even in my sailing course I was taught to accept drinking but pot was illegal.
Some argue smoking pot causes less road accidents but perhaps this might be due to the fact most pot heads can't ever remember just where it was they put their car keys.
Drinking and smoking are in no way conducive to safety and I do argue that, (just as I have with a drunken skipper headed into a squall). When I think of someone abandoning their perfectly good sailboat on a psychotic notion I think of my friends who smoke pot and talk about how flying saucers are causing the aurora borealis.
I think of drunk and stubborn ego maniac's and purple rages.
So the single best piece of sailing safety equipment my not be what you buy or take on but what you left at home. Life is complete you don't need it.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #26  
Old 08-05-2012
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 2,355
Thanks: 19
Thanked 33 Times in 32 Posts
Rep Power: 3
Brent Swain is on a distinguished road
Re: Can You Buy Safety?

In the June issue of Sail magazine, they gave the numbers for boating fatalities in the US in the last year. Total boating related fatalities, 758. Sailboat related fatalities, 28.
It appears that the Coast Guard, police and Mounties would save far more lives if they left sailors alone, and concentrated their time and effort on the boats which have the highest number of fatalities , power boats. Not doing so could even increase the number of boating fatalities.
__________________
Brent Swain, Boat designer, Builder, and author of "Origami Metal Boatbuilding"
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #27  
Old 08-06-2012
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Sacremento delta
Posts: 35
Thanks: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Woodvet is on a distinguished road
Re: Can You Buy Safety?

I would agree on that but most sailors see stink pots as a conveyance between service stations. Mount the big speaker system to take away all the peace and quiet and you have a hearing hazard...
The reality of Homeland Security (first brought up by Clinton) is that under Bush the 4 out of 10 first hired were not able to later clear screening because of past criminal back grounds.
Sailboats in this area of San Francisco have reported that the CG/homeland security only want to look at their heads or how it is they discharged. Fines can exceed the worth of the boat depending on how it is plumbed.
In my opinion it's not so much about safety as revenue stream to maintain all those craft they bought in the post 9/11 splurge. Homeland security not only changed the directive of the Coasties but has both feet in flood insurance (FEMA) and other BIG agencies that have little to do with boating.
Of course this thread is on the subject of 'safety' unless you count PTSD of being boarded, or your flood insurance suddenly becomes mandatory and they charge you 2300 a year extra on your mortgage insurance.

My two bits centers on alcohol culture that has thrown up all over boating culture.
READ THIS:
"Drowning appears to be the overwhelming cause of death associated with recreational aquatic activity with alcohol detected in the blood in 30%–70% of persons who drown while involved in this activity. The few relevant studies on degree of increased risk suggest persons with a blood alcohol level of 0.10 g/100 ml have about 10 times the risk of death associated with recreational boating compared with persons who have not been drinking, but that even small amounts of alcohol can increase this risk. The population attributable risk seems to be in the range of about 10%–30%. (from the National Library of Medicine and National Institute of Health).
The problem has been noted by eye witness accounts that alcohol for reasons unknown and in even small amounts can cause some subjects to swim downward thinking it is up.
Research is sketchy because it results in death. Where the subject lives there is no reason to give an account.
Alcohol and a safe passage are less than bosom buddies...
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #28  
Old 04-06-2013
Water Lover
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New Mexico, USA (Heron, Elephant Butte lakes); Arizona (Lake Pleasant)
Posts: 695
Thanks: 3
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 5
rgscpat is on a distinguished road
Re: Can You Buy Safety?

[quote=Woodvet;906094]....
Research is sketchy because it results in death. Where the subject lives there is no reason to give an account....[/quote]

I've heard of "Curiosity Killed the Cat", but this is a truly shocking finding.
Are university researchers in an even more deadly profession than those guys on "The Deadliest Catch"? Does the multivariate statistical data analysis give off toxic fumes that tragically cut short the lives of many promising young researchers?

Sorry... couldn't resist.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #29  
Old 04-06-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: new england
Posts: 1,700
Thanks: 31
Thanked 30 Times in 27 Posts
Rep Power: 2
outbound is on a distinguished road
Re: Can You Buy Safety?

Excellent article- think lin/larry speak from a different perspective. I have always had the utmost respect for them. Realize these are people who have done countless miles off the shelf in blue water in a small wooden boat. Personally I feel safest in blue water where there are no hard edges to sink my boat. I can see weather at least 1/2 to 1 day off. Nobody is around to run into me. Personally make use of all the modern aids I can afford but still carry a sexton/knot stick etc. Would not think to not have a raft/epirb/ssb/ais etc. but still believe coastal is more dangerous. With appropriate modern weather routng the mdoern sailor should able to avoid most severe weather with a modicum of commonsense. Yes your personal skill set, a strong boat, and the right attitude are the keys to safety but there is nothing wrong with mitigating risk by doing the "what if?" routine .
__________________
s/v Hippocampus
Outbound 46
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #30  
Old 06-10-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: New Hamburg, NY
Posts: 156
Thanks: 8
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 5
RonRelyea is on a distinguished road
Re: Can You Buy Safety?

[quote=bobwebster;270461]QUOTE: Gryzio
"I remember when I was young, my parents taught me to leave the wall sockets alone. I never was shocked."

That's funny. I always told my kids stick a screw driver in there so they could learn...

Excellent article![/quote]

when I was a 4 year old kid, my older brother (by 18 months), told me I should take the light bulb out of the lamp in our bedroom, and stick my finger in the socket to "wake up in the morning". I learned !!!! and only suffered a little bit of dain bramage.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Offshore Safety Reviewed SailNet Her Sailnet Articles 0 06-13-2002 08:00 PM
Offshore Safety Made Simple Liza Copeland Seamanship Articles 0 03-05-2002 07:00 PM
Offshore Safety Made Simple Liza Copeland Gear and Maintenance Articles 0 03-05-2002 07:00 PM
Offshore Safety Made Simple Liza Copeland Cruising Articles 0 03-05-2002 07:00 PM
Offshore Safety Made Simple Liza Copeland Her Sailnet Articles 0 03-05-2002 07:00 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:17 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.