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Re: Know the rules!

Technically both those cases are within the rules. You were the stand-on boat but choose not to be by reacting first. According to the rules you first course of action should have been five short blasts and only after they still did nothing should you alter course. Not saying that you are wrong but if there was a collision and you altered course first then you are not necessarily in the right anymore.
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Re: Know the rules!

Sail/sail: starboard over port, leeward over windward

Sail/power: sail wins (unless power is *really* huge and/or hard to steer e.g. deep draft, restricted, etc and you should't be that close to him in the first place, what were you thinking?)

How hard was that??

I wonder if some of these 'close encounters of the stupid kind' are more about bad attitude than rules ignorance?

Or alcohol? say it ain't so...


then again, I have raced on boats whose booms say, in very large letters on the port side (only):

"WATCH OUT FOR STARBOARD TACKERS!!"

This has actually been helpful to me in the heat of the moment....;-)
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Technically both those cases are within the rules. You were the stand-on boat but choose not to be by reacting first. According to the rules you first course of action should have been five short blasts and only after they still did nothing should you alter course. Not saying that you are wrong but if there was a collision and you altered course first then you are not necessarily in the right anymore.
Good point. But in both cases I didn't have time for the horn blasts as I was doing what was expected of me and very close. There is the "Last clear chance" rule so I altered course as I was the captain with the last chance to avoid the collision. Believe it or not in both cases had there been a collision there is a high probability that both captains would have been at fault. The captain that disregarded the rules and the captain that did not avoid the collision.
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Sail/sail: starboard over port, leeward over windward

Sail/power: sail wins (unless power is *really* huge and/or hard to steer e.g. deep draft, restricted, etc and you should't be that close to him in the first place, what were you thinking?)

How hard was that??

I wonder if some of these 'close encounters of the stupid kind' are more about bad attitude than rules ignorance?

Or alcohol? say it ain't so...


then again, I have raced on boats whose booms say, in very large letters on the port side (only):

"WATCH OUT FOR STARBOARD TACKERS!!"

This has actually been helpful to me in the heat of the moment....;-)
power/power boat approaching on starboard has the right of way. Boat approaching on port must give way
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Whats worse is when the port police/CG decide to change the rules of the road. During the celebration of light fireworks in Vancouver I have had the port cops pull along side and tell me to use the other side (south side when leaving port) of the channel under the lions gate bridge so that boats pass starboard to starboard rather than port to port. I bet the freighters trying to enter the harbor really appreciated this to make no mention of those pleasure boats they hadnt told to use the wrong side (nothing on the radio).
The Harbor Operations manual states "All vessels are to keep to starboard of mid channel" within the First Narrows.
They simply create a situation where there is a higher likelihood of a problem by doing this. Idiots are everywhere. Keep a good watch and be safe.
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power/power boat approaching on starboard has the right of way. Boat approaching on port must give way
Well, give way or gun it and swing to port in front of the other power boat. I mean jeez, if we went to starboard BEHIND the other boat, we wouldn't be FIRST. (sarcasm included)

But then again, I truly think this is how some people think.
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Good point. But in both cases I didn't have time for the horn blasts as I was doing what was expected of me and very close. There is the "Last clear chance" rule so I altered course as I was the captain with the last chance to avoid the collision. Believe it or not in both cases had there been a collision there is a high probability that both captains would have been at fault. The captain that disregarded the rules and the captain that did not avoid the collision.
Yes the rules are setup that generally both parties are at fault. Most recreational boats are at fault by default because they fail to have a separate lookout and person on the helm. Not to labor the point but not doing the five blasts would be chalked up to not having proper lookout for early and effective action.

But what do I know ... I own a french production boat ;-)
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Know the rules!

Well that explains it. The captain of the Beneteau was waiting for me to blast my horn!! :-)
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Well that explains it. The captain of the Beneteau was waiting for me to blast my horn!! :-)
And to think people think Beneteau owners are always looking for a chance to toot their own horns, now they want to toot your horn too LOL.

Just kidding guys, I have nothing against French boats, especially if someone wants to give me a free Beneteau Oceanis 58...




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Re: Know the rules!

The French don't get enough credit. They bailed us out of the Revolutionary War, make some pretty nice boats, and they make snails taste good.

I think that I know COLREGs fairly well. But sometimes out in the water it takes you a moment to calculate who is leeward, windward, bigger, smaller or French. I agree that there are some genuine ignoramuses out there ... but mostly it requires patience. A good rule of thumb is to keep a safe distance and assume no one knows what they are doing.
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