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Re: Know the rules!

I'd go further. The only sensible approach to take on the water is the same one to take while driving - that they're all trying to kill you.
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Re: Know the rules!

I was on port last weekend and ducked by a boat on starboard with about 10 boat lengths clearance and both boats moving at a fair clip in good wind.

We'd tacked just previously, a line got snagged on a hatch - I have no idea why it was loose enough to snag. The hatch broke and we were just regaining headsail control as the other boat started to duck (we'd have been well clear ahead without the faschnaffle).

We weren't racing and while there was time for us to get out of the way still I can understand why the other boat took a cautious approach and I waved and hollered my apologies. With 5 non sailors and 3 sailors on board I'll admit I was happy to not have to tack again at that particular moment.

I'm a Beneteau sailor and writing this has made me feel cleaner.
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Re: Know the rules!

Rule 5 requires a proper lookout. It does not require a separate lookout in addition to the helmsman.
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Rule 5 requires a proper lookout. It does not require a separate lookout in addition to the helmsman.
You are correct. It does not specify a separate lookout or even that the lookout be a person but does specify that the lookout should be able to make a full appraisal of the situation and of the risk of collision. So if you are the only one acting as a helm&lookout and in a collision it's not hard to argue that as a lookout you were not able to make a full appraisal of the situation since you were distracted with helm duty. The rules are deliberately not specific, but they try to make sure everyone is at fault.
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Re: Know the rules!

I just came back from spending a week in San Diego. During the weekend I rented a Hobie Cat out in the Bay. Holy C#$p! There's maybe 4 resorts that rent out for their guests. Never seen anything like it. The only rule, was there are no rules.
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Re: Know the rules!

Haven't sailed in the bay since my rental got whipped by a water ski line, luckily minus the water skier.
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Re: Know the rules!

sailing last weekend on the SF bay most people seemed to know the rules.

the only time it got tricky was that there were _a lot_ of races going on. they tend to have closer margins of safety than i do, but generally seem to be pretty aware.

i generally tried to stay away from the race courses, and even took a bit of a detour to allow a fleet of racers get through my intended course before i got there, but it got a little close sometimes.
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If you are on port, you must abort.
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Re: Know the rules!

Groggy has a good point. In crossing situations, some skippers react well before others do. I've been racing since I was nine. I might be fine, sailing on Port tack, and planning to miss your transom by a foot when we cross. You might think that we were too close for comfort, and alter course to pass a boatlength behind me instead. Is that my fault?

Perhaps hailing "Starboard" would help alert the other skipper to your presence, and get him thinking about telling you what he plans to do about the crossing. He may, of course, think he's going to pass in front of you, with no need for either of you to do anything. The may think it's obvious he's going to pass behind you, with no need for either of you to do anything then, either. He may also be wrong. That's why even the stand-on vessel has to pay attention.
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Re: Know the rules!

No need to be rude and xenophobic, does that add anything to the point?

By the way, the cardinal rule is always to avoid trouble in the first place. There is already enough anger on the road.
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