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Re: Planning a trip up the East River, Timing?

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Yam... let's look at tidal currents. in order to arrive the battery at dead low tide..from any point south...one would have to buck a 2 knot current coming down through the narrows and the hudson, If one simply waited an hour two they could ride the horizontal flow of water up through the narrows and all the way up the east river.
I'd rather do 7 knots than 3..
interesting that you bring this up. When I do this route I always leave from Highlands, NJ. I time it so I am at the VN Bridge one hour before low at the Battery.
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Re: Planning a trip up the East River, Timing?

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interesting that you bring this up. When I do this route I always leave from Highlands, NJ. I time it so I am at the VN Bridge one hour before low at the Battery.
slack at the narrows.. is two hours after low at the battery..so your timing seems a bit early to me... I do think that if you hit the narrows at slack and hit the battery 3 hours after low, you'd enjoy a nicer push....but sometimes you gotta go, when you gotta go.
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Re: Planning a trip up the East River, Timing?

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I would look at the Tidal Current Tables as one is looking at the horizontal movement of water. So if you hit the Battery at 11:15, effectively it will not make a big difference. The Tidal Current Tables are what is more important.
Yam, Here's an illustration of the east river @ low water at the battery.

http://www.offshoreblue.com/assets/i...ents/er-lw.jpg

and 1 hour after low water:

http://www.offshoreblue.com/assets/i...ts/er-lw+1.jpg

2 hours after:

http://www.offshoreblue.com/assets/i...ts/er-lw+2.jpg

Notice which way the arrows point at two hours. That's why the typical recommendation ( not just mine) is to arrive 2 hours after low water.
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Re: Planning a trip up the East River, Timing?

We took the trek up the east river last Monday and returned south yesterday
following the rules for fair current posted here: Navigating the East River - Choosing the Right Time (Fair Current or Slack Water?) to Make the Passage

These rules appear consistent with the advice given here.

Our northbound track can be viewed in Google earth here:
http://www.eguy.org/boat/ryc2tng.kml
Our southbound track can be viewed in Google earth here:
http://www.eguy.org/boat/tng2ryc.kml

Northbound, we left about 30 minutes before the designated auspicious time and it took 2 hours to transit north to the Throgs Neck Bridge.
The reverse path to the Battery was about 1:45 in duration and the GPS read 10.5 kts through Hell Gate.


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Re: Planning a trip up the East River, Timing?

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Yam, Here's an illustration of the east river @ low water at the battery.

http://www.offshoreblue.com/assets/i...ents/er-lw.jpg

and 1 hour after low water:

http://www.offshoreblue.com/assets/i...ts/er-lw+1.jpg

2 hours after:

http://www.offshoreblue.com/assets/i...ts/er-lw+2.jpg

Notice which way the arrows point at two hours. That's why the typical recommendation ( not just mine) is to arrive 2 hours after low water.
Ok--guys do what you want. All I know is that I am always at the VZ bridge 1 hour before low tide. So if low is at 8am, I am at the VN Bridge at 7am. This puts me in Little Neck Harbor by 11:30am. I know this because I have done it many times. So start two hours later, I really don't care.
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Re: Planning a trip up the East River, Timing?

Ed... That's great... It Looks like you ducked behind Hoffman Is. Which I typically do as well but I haven't made that passage since Sandy. I've been hoping to get a report. Good to know. Very Useful
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Re: Planning a trip up the East River, Timing?

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We took the trek up the east river last Monday and returned south yesterday
following the rules for fair current posted here: Navigating the East River - Choosing the Right Time (Fair Current or Slack Water?) to Make the Passage

These rules appear consistent with the advice given here.

Our northbound track can be viewed in Google earth here:
http://www.eguy.org/boat/ryc2tng.kml
Our southbound track can be viewed in Google earth here:
http://www.eguy.org/boat/tng2ryc.kml

Northbound, we left about 30 minutes before the designated auspicious time and it took 2 hours to transit north to the Throgs Neck Bridge.
The reverse path to the Battery was about 1:45 in duration and the GPS read 10.5 kts through Hell Gate.


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It seems both methods can be used.
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Re: Planning a trip up the East River, Timing?

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Ed... That's great... It Looks like you ducked behind Hoffman Is. Which I typically do as well but I haven't made that passage since Sandy. I've been hoping to get a report. Good to know. Very Useful
I've done the trek to the upper harbor twice so far this summer and took the inside route behind Hoffman Island four times. Only on this last trip southbound did I find the water shallower than expected: the depth gauge read about 9 feet so I diverted a bit to the east and was happy for the rest of the trip. ( I only draw 4' and change, but just assumed I was closer to shore than I planned to be. )

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Re: Planning a trip up the East River, Timing?

Thanks to everyone for a helpful discussion. My original post was prompted by the Admiral's and my canoe paddle around Manhattan on August 25th. We came down the Hudson and rounded the Battery 5 hours after low tide there (@11:00 am). We found the tide was strong. We had intended to be a couple of hours earlier but missed our planned window. The tides force added to the turbulence we dealt with at that time in the tide cycle I am sure. It did give us a strong boost as we paddled to Hell Gate (90 minutes). Since our trip did not include coming up from New Jersey and did not continue out to Long Island Sound we planned our transit to give us favorable current up the Harlem River back to the Hudson. That is what we got. I wanted to get a review of this timing by asking for shared experience. I did. I got it and I am appreciative. On our next trip up the East River will pass the Battery a couple of hours earlier in the tide cycle (three hours after low tide there).

Another consideration we have, in our canoe, is traffic. Getting to the Battery near noon on Sunday wasn't as busy as it would have been on a weekday but our next trip will be scheduled for a favorable tide window that occurs early in the day on a Sunday. Since we have seen it in August, perhaps a "window" in April or November will be the plan. We have so much flexibility for scheduling this transit our next "ride" will be a bit "quieter". We will not schedule the trip when there is a counter current to deal with.

What a spectacular way to experience Manhattan!

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