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Re: Recreational Sailboat vs. Tugboat with Barge: Who Has the Right of Way? - See mor

For future reference, for you guys not getting anything on Channel 16 in ports.. While channel 16 is a channel to monitor for traffic and safety/emergency, it is not usually used for in port traffic. Next time try channel 13 as it is a dedicated traffic channel for everyone, bridges included. Also, Vessel Traffic (VTS) is commonly on 5 and/or 12. Also VTS can give you vessel info, local traffic channels(if not 13) , tidal/current status, and vessel traffic in and out. When in port we turn 16 down more so we can pay more attention to 13 as it holds precedence with traffic situations. But if you can and have the ability, monitoring 16 and 13 is best.

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Re: Recreational Sailboat vs. Tugboat with Barge: Who Has the Right of Way? - See mor

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A few weeks ago in San Francisco Bay near the Port of Oakland, a pilot boat with a container ship kept blasting his horn over and over. There were lots of sailboats around, but apparently one was giving him real fits. About 10 minutes later he was on the radio calling CG requesting that they inform the skipper about the need to get out of the way. Though I'm sure the pilots would enjoy running over some of these boats, it's just too easy pickings. The real challenge is to NOT run us down.
I am sure they would prefer not to run you down. Eventually, they would have to stop or slow down and it would, no doubt, create extra paper work for them.

For anyone considering "challenging" them because you think you have the "right of way", I suggest you make sure your will is in order.

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A few weeks ago in San Francisco Bay near the Port of Oakland, a pilot boat with a container ship kept blasting his horn over and over. There were lots of sailboats around, but apparently one was giving him real fits. About 10 minutes later he was on the radio calling CG requesting that they inform the skipper about the need to get out of the way. Though I'm sure the pilots would enjoy running over some of these boats, it's just too easy pickings. The real challenge is to NOT run us down.
Let's clear this up, no merchant marine officer or pilot ever would love to run someone over much less a collision with another vessel. We can lose our jobs for life, not to mention the mental trauma if life is lost from their action. That being said, if a sailboat or any vessel(fishing, trawling) is impeding traffic within a traffic separation scheme they are at fault. That is why they have those lanes so everyone has their own area to prevent collisions and traffic issues. If you aren't conducting business and/or have a draft that requires you to stay in the channel, you have no business being there.

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Re: Recreational Sailboat vs. Tugboat with Barge: Who Has the Right of Way? - See mor

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I am sure they would prefer not to run you down. Eventually, they would have to stop or slow down and it would, no doubt, create extra paper work for them.

For anyone considering "challenging" them because you think you have the "right of way", I suggest you make sure your will is in order.

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Humm, stop is not an option. A container ship would take a looooong time to stop or even reducing meaningfully its speed.

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Let's clear this up, no merchant marine officer or pilot ever would love to run someone over much less a collision with another vessel. We can lose our jobs for life, not to mention the mental trauma if life is lost from their action. That being said, if a sailboat or any vessel(fishing, trawling) is impeding traffic within a traffic separation scheme they are at fault. That is why they have those lanes so everyone has their own area to prevent collisions and traffic issues. If you aren't conducting business and/or have a draft that requires you to stay in the channel, you have no business being there.

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Completely agree. It was a lame joke. This wasn't a TSS though. It was an inland navigation channel and there's no way to sail SF Bay without going through these areas. Getting a blast from a pilot boat about your intentions is embarrassing, but hopefully it makes you better at paying attention. Getting repeatedly blasted to the point that the CG has to be called is real ignorance and very dangerous to all of us.
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Humm, stop is not an option. A container ship would take a looooong time to stop or even reducing meaningfully its speed.

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I was thinking that, conditions permitting, open sea room, etc, they may stop to render aid, if needed. In a harbor, they would probably just proceed to their intended anchorage.

In any event, stay out of their way unless you want to assume water temperature.

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Re: Recreational Sailboat vs. Tugboat with Barge: Who Has the Right of Way? - See mor

Just remembered this. Happened in an area that we used to fish in a lot:

Tanker Owners Admit Evidence Indicates Ship Hit Fishing Boat - Los Angeles Times

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IMHO the law of tonnage trumps COLREGs. Rules don't matter if you're dead.

But, also IMHO the maritime law expert is missing the narrow channel argument. For a tug pushing a barge, I'd interpret San Diego bay as a narrow channel, and give the rights to the tug/barge on the push.
While this is a "common sense" approach, the other boat needs to know if you are going to change course, even if to get out of his way. The Colregs specify what vessel is sand on, and they are not supposed to change course. Doing so even in an effort to give the commercial vessel more room could put you into jeopardy and in an accident situation they could say to you "you were were sand on vessel, why did you alter course?" That would put you at fault. The reasoning behind the regs there to make your actions predictable, so be careful, trying to give more space. Not saying not to do it just communicate your intentions.
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Re: Recreational Sailboat vs. Tugboat with Barge: Who Has the Right of Way? - See mor

Sailing on Chesapeake Bay a few months ago at night. Saw a southbound tug towing a barge. It was pretty apparent that things were going to be close. I hailed the tug on 13 and said it looks like we have a situation here, how do things look to you. (figuring he'd be able to very accurately assess things on his radar) His response was "more importantly, how do things look to YOU!

I said I'd duck behind his tow and inquired how far back it was. Didn't hurt me and didn't delay him. Couldn't have cost me more than a couple of minutes.

Remember CH. 13 is your friend!
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Sailing on Chesapeake Bay a few months ago at night. Saw a southbound tug towing a barge. It was pretty apparent that things were going to be close. I hailed the tug on 13 and said it looks like we have a situation here, how do things look to you. (figuring he'd be able to very accurately assess things on his radar) His response was "more importantly, how do things look to YOU!

I said I'd duck behind his tow and inquired how far back it was. Didn't hurt me and didn't delay him. Couldn't have cost me more than a couple of minutes.

Remember CH. 13 is your friend!
He was likely surprised (pleasantly) to hear from you. But that is the best way to do it, make contact, and see if they have a preferred plan, and if not make your intentions known. He might have had a different thing in mind, but once you communicate you both know what to expect. Seems there are a lot of push button navigators out there. You know set the chart plotter and go down below and fix some dinner and a drink and get upset when you hit the buoy you used as a way-point!
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