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No auto pilot and no AIS! YOU are a candidate for a rescue or recovery.
Golly gosh how on earth did people like Slocum, Knox Johnson or Shane Acton make around the world.
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Re: Multi-Day Offshores: The Elephant In The Salon

No doubt.
It's amazing how quickly people become tottally reliant on technology.
To the point where They feel like they could never do without it.

Did someone say there are downsides to having a pilot house? Wow...
Thats rediculous.
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Either that or he's actually a sailor.
Well, I believe I probably enjoy helming about as much as anyone, but I still find it a bit hard to justify the absence of some form of self-steering on a cruising boat that will be sailed shorthanded... Under normal conditions, a doublehanded trip from Green Turtle to Ft Pierce really shouldn't produce the sort of exhaustion Ralph describes. Seems to me they're making it needlessly hard on themselves, almost to the point where it goes beyond an issue of 'comfort', and might verge into the realm of being a 'safety' issue...

For the sort of sailing I do, it's impossible to overstate the importance of some form of reliable self-steering. If I could only have ONE item powered by the flow of electrons on any of the boats I run, an AP would beat out GPS, plotters, AIS, or any other gizmo, hands down... Unless you're sailing with a full crew, no other bit of gear makes such a difference, in my opinion...
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Well, I believe I probably enjoy helming about as much as anyone, but I still find it a bit hard to justify the absence of some form of self-steering on a cruising boat that will be sailed shorthanded... Under normal conditions, a doublehanded trip from Green Turtle to Ft Pierce really shouldn't produce the sort of exhaustion Ralph describes. Seems to me they're making it needlessly hard on themselves, almost to the point where it goes beyond an issue of 'comfort', and might verge into the realm of being a 'safety' issue...

For the sort of sailing I do, it's impossible to overstate the importance of some form of reliable self-steering. If I could only have ONE item powered by the flow of electrons on any of the boats I run, an AP would beat out GPS, plotters, AIS, or any other gizmo, hands down... Unless you're sailing with a full crew, no other bit of gear makes such a difference, in my opinion...
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No doubt.

Did someone say there are downsides to having a pilot house? Wow...
Thats rediculous.
Yeah, what would sailors like Hamish and Kate Laird - with years of sailing in places like Antarctica, and Greenland - possibly know about that?

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We are surprised to find no internal steering station. “That is because only a hydraulic system would do the job,” Kate replies, “… and we don’t want leaking hydraulic oil inside the boat. But we can use the autopilot for internal steering when the on-watch person has to be monitoring the radar. When the wind and seas are rough, however, we feel it is very important to be outside helming — with the wind on your face you can react much faster and more accurately. The other issue is that if you are already outside you are much more in tune with the weather and are more likely to reef early if conditions deteriorate.”

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Golly gosh how on earth did people like Slocum, Knox Johnson or Shane Acton make around the world.
or even recent ones, baldwin, yves gelinas, and the young ones like jesse martin, aebi,

or the masters like motissier, or chichester, or the roths

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Have MSDs at companionway,helm and nav station.
Marine Sanitation Device at the helm? That's sailing in style!
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Me, very far from all this, I am somehwat surprised: What are we discussing here? Difficulties of self-selected adventures or the (dis-?) advatanges of pilothouses? Or the advantages with going to high altitudes, where the ice to the aperetif is an arm away?

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200 miles is just a miserable distance. You need the offwatch to start sleeping immediately but that never happens so you can't really get into a sleep rotation and instead you all just get tired (and maybe seasick) together. That is really hard. I don't understand how you can hand steer for 36-48 hrs (I had to do it for a couple days at it was exhausting). That trip with i2f must have been a great time . . ..
We do 2 hours on, 2 hours off. Mostly we just get a break from steering and try to get comfortable. Sometimes a cat-nap. With an AP, I'm sure we could extend the shifts. I'll add an AP in Texas, before we take off again.

The trip with i2f was awesome! Probably why we are cruising fulltime now. I hope John (i2f) is looking down with a smile on his face. Most of what I know about sailing, I learned from him. I sure miss the guy. Sorry for the tread drift...

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Well, I believe I probably enjoy helming about as much as anyone, but I still find it a bit hard to justify the absence of some form of self-steering on a cruising boat that will be sailed shorthanded... Under normal conditions, a doublehanded trip from Green Turtle to Ft Pierce really shouldn't produce the sort of exhaustion Ralph describes. Seems to me they're making it needlessly hard on themselves, almost to the point where it goes beyond an issue of 'comfort', and might verge into the realm of being a 'safety' issue...

For the sort of sailing I do, it's impossible to overstate the importance of some form of reliable self-steering. If I could only have ONE item powered by the flow of electrons on any of the boats I run, an AP would beat out GPS, plotters, AIS, or any other gizmo, hands down... Unless you're sailing with a full crew, no other bit of gear makes such a difference, in my opinion...
I certainly don't disagree. We aren't set up for long passages. Besides no AP, we don't have an EPIRB, life raft, or SSB. On cruising comforts....no windlass or davits either. We're just bare-bones, all you really need for coastal cruising (just in case someone reads this, thinking they need all those toys). No doubt, the AP would be an excellent addition for the longer crossings. Thanks for the reply.

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