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Whenever there's a discussion everyone accuses everyone else of being an armchair sailor! I shudder to think of the backlash when certain "informed and qualified members" are chosen over other "informed and qualified members" to provide analysis.

Andrew's at the dentist today. I'll let him know that he's nominated to get this endeavor off the ground.
They stopped burning witches didn't they ? Too soon in my opinion.

Possibly a good idea ... the thread not the consuming by fire of Donna you fools ..... but the implementation may be troublesome. hmm ... well that could also apply to the Bonfire of the Dragonn Lady I suppose but sticking to the subject .....


If there were publicly available reports or a relatively concise round up that we could link to then I'd figure the idea might have legs. Maybe there could be a locked thread to which Mods could posts but others would need to alert us to the availability of the material. I doubt any of us have the time or the inclination to go searching for such info. Not at all sure it warranted. Lets see how this thread looks in a month or so.

Meanwhile lets see if Donna floats.
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...the value to me is the discussion attached to each thread...
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BTW- I've yet to figure out a way to get to the Caribe or back without crossing the western north Atlantic gyre. I've yet to find an insurance company that will let me be in the Caribe from june 1 to nov 1. So think many are forced to cross the stream twice a year when gales/storms may occur.
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Meanwhile lets see if Donna floats.
Is Donna a duck? Or wood?
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Re: How Dangerous?

Let me answer the question posed in your post headline - How dangerous? There is no way of knowing what goes on in other's minds so your question is unanswerable. However, let me make a few observations as one who has crossed the North Atlantic twice - single handing once and with a crew the second time. (Remember that the North Atlantic goes all the way down to the equator - so crossing from the Canaries to the Caribbean is "crossing the North Atlantic.")

Let me first distinguish between "danger" and being unprepared. Loss of a boat and/or crew that does not have proper equipment properly maintained has little to do with the location other than the proximity of rescue services. When (not if) things break there has to be the ability to recover. Hopefully on a well prepared boat only a few things will break and one is able to overcome - not so much on an ill prepared boat.

"Danger" on the other hand is somewhat random. I crossed the Atlantic eastbound (in other words at the higher latitudes) during the "preferred" weather window of June/July. Almost the entire trip I was hugging the south boundary of the route while a succession of gales and one unseasonable and unusual mid-ocean hurricane passed to the north. I had daily or twice daily contact with shore based weather routers who kept me out of the worst of it. I still had to deal with 45 knot winds and scary seas. In another year or perhaps another month the trip might have been a cakewalk. Given that it took (including stops at Bermuda and Azores) 44 days from Florida to Portugal no long range weather forecast was going to help me. My point again is that how the weather is going to develop over a long passage is quite random.

I have read my fair share of vessel lost stories and the common factors in all are either weather or stupidity - sometimes both. I was in Miquelon Island. Next to me was a couple that had cruised for many years. One morning I noticed that they were getting ready to get underway. Since we had been stuck in Miquelon for several weeks waiting for a weather window I immediately went down and checked the weather forecast. It was for 45 knot winds and 15 to 20 foot seas in the Cabot Strait. They set off for Sidney, NS. I figured that with all of their experience they might know something I did not so I set sail for Halifax. Within a hour I knew I was in serious trouble so abandoned the attempt. Unfortunately going back into Miquelon was not something I wanted to do so I just headed south toward better weather. (I am here so you know I survived.) A few weeks later I got an email from the couple. It said "when we were in the Cabot Strait we had 45 know winds and 20 to 25 foot seas. They ripped the dinghy off the transom, caused significant damage to the transom, shredded the mainsail and the jib, and caused significant additional damage to the standing rigging." Not surprising - after all that is exactly what the weather forecast predicted.

You are welcome to lobby for a "boats lost thread." I suggest you have subforums for weather, stupidity, and weather and stupidity. I for one would not find such a thread particularly useful.

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You are welcome to lobby for a "boats lost thread." ..
A forum already exists.

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Re: How Dangerous?

Hang on a second.... If the Original Poster just wants news reports on sinkings etc, why doesnt he just look in the Missing, Lost forum at any thread and then Google the boat name? Why have a Moderator google it for him?




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Hang on a second.... If the Original Poster just wants news reports on sinkings etc, why doesnt he just look in the Missing, Lost forum at any thread and then Google the boat name? Why have a Moderator google it for him?




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After some PMs, I think he wants a more comprehensive forum. For now, we have the new forum that you suggested and the mods will see if we can use that as the foundation.
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Re: How Dangerous?

This might upset some , but...I beleive it is the responsibility of every skipper to ensure the safety of his own boat and crew. How dangerous? for me the fact that lives are lost on a somewhat regular basis should be sufficient warning as to the level of danger and prompt me to take appropriate precaution. This is almost my entire reasoning for joining forums like this. To be as well infomed and prepared as possible. education and practice can help minimize the risks, but they will always be there. Knowing when to sail a particular area is part of proper planning. Making certain the boat is prepared and capable of any passage is also part of proper seamanship.
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