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This might upset some , but...I beleive it is the responsibility of every skipper to ensure the safety of his own boat and crew. How dangerous? for me the fact that lives are lost on a somewhat regular basis should be sufficient warning as to the level of danger and prompt me to take appropriate precaution. This is almost my entire reasoning for joining forums like this. To be as well infomed and prepared as possible. education and practice can help minimize the risks, but they will always be there. Knowing when to sail a particular area is part of proper planning. Making certain the boat is prepared and capable of any passage is also part of proper seamanship.
I shouldn't think it would upset anyone. Skipper responsibility isn't being argued. I don't think sailing itself has become more dangerous. I think between social media and news media more people can get a glimpse of the lifestyle from their living rooms and think how hard can it be? Then those same social media and news outlets are there to broadcast the tragic outcome.
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Re: How Dangerous?

How Dangerous?

While reliable statistics are hard to find and verify it appears that since November 2013 at least 10 boats have sunk or been disabled in the Western North Atlantic north of the line between Cape Hatteras and Bermuda...5 in the Salty Dawg (may be less but the thread is so long that getting reliable numbers from it is very hard), the Alpha 42, the boat 350 miles offshore I think reported by Mark and 3 apparently crossing the Atlantic on the northern route during the last 4-5 weeks, Cheki Rafiki, Tao and Blue Pearl.

It is probably impossible to know the number of cruising boat that have crossed through those waters either sailing 'down Island' or crossing the Atlantic but 1000 might be a reasonable estimate if we exclude organized races but include rallies.

10 boats in 1000 is 1% and a very high percentage for a recreational sport. It is very high when you consider that some of the sailors are older couples with limited experience, uninsured boats and serious risk is presumable not part of their retirement plan.

There were 4 deaths and but for the US Coast Guard there would have been many more!

1% is not the risk as that must be assessed over several years but if the Forum developed a good 'read only' section on sailboat sinkings then perhaps the inexperienced sailors might read of the risks and decide to take the ICW and the 'Thorny Path".

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Re: How Dangerous?

Phil, you trivialize the magnitude of the task and then you would conveniently foist it off on someone else.

There are 193 member states in the UN. If half of them are landlocked that still leaves some hundred marine authorities to collect reports from. To collate, index, and follow through for official explanations. A trivial task but since it "should" be done, I think you should be the one to step up and do it.

And you don't have to worry about locked threads, you can get a free web site or a free blog site and have total self- and sole control over it.

Since you're the one who says it should be done..."Physician, heal thyself!"
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Re: How Dangerous?

HelloSailor,

I am not suggesting a database kept to scientific standard but one that would collate the reports that are posted on this forum, they include almost every USCG rescue of sailboats in the North Western Atlantic since these rescues almost always are reported by the mainstream media.

It would require some organization but could easily be done within the context of the Forum.

I will write privately to Donna and get her opinion.

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Re: How Dangerous?

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How Dangerous?

While reliable statistics are hard to find and verify it appears that since November 2013 at least 10 boats have sunk or been disabled in the Western North Atlantic north of the line between Cape Hatteras and Bermuda...5 in the Salty Dawg (may be less but the thread is so long that getting reliable numbers from it is very hard), the Alpha 42, the boat 350 miles offshore I think reported by Mark and 3 apparently crossing the Atlantic on the northern route during the last 4-5 weeks, Cheki Rafiki, Tao and Blue Pearl.
That is a very interesting statistic as I would have expected the number from Bermuda to Portugal et al to be much higher.

I can tell you from my insurance premium that a lot of people screw up.

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