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How Dangerous?

With the loss of the French boat 'Tao' three sailboats have sunk in the western north Atlantic in the last month! It is amazing that only 4 lives were lost.

Loss of Yacht ?Tao?

Last Fall, if memory serves me correctly, 5 boats were severely damaged in the Salty Dawg Rally!

All of these boats seem to have been in a gale while in an area where they under the influence of the Gulf Stream or its eddies.

My Dad was a British sailor in WWII and he taught me that the North Atlantic was a very bad place to be in a Gale, even in a destroyer!

Have the new generation of cruisers failed to realize how dangerous this area of the Atlantic can be?

It would be beneficial if this forum developed a 'read only' thread that records all the sailboat losses and rescues in cruising and racing boats.
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Why "read only"?
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Re: How Dangerous?

It needs to to be 'read only' so that it is true source of information and not filled with ill informed comment.
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The first source of information is often media reports with few details written by a non sailing journalist.
The true information only comes out in fits and spurts over a period of time and can still be erroneous.

Some "ill informed comment" can be spot on. Only critical analysis of that comment can prove which is, indeed, ill informed.

For instance the link you posted re Tao says: "I should state that we have not verified any of this information".
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The first source of information is often media reports with few details written by a non sailing journalist.

And then unfortunately supplemented with sailor conjecture.
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so that it is true source of information and not filled with ill informed comment
While perhaps admirable it doesn't sound like anyplace I've seen on a sailing forum.
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Mark,

I am not trying to stifle debate but suggesting that there should be a central, concise source of information about sinkings and rescues. It would not be hard for the owners/moderators to create such a useful database.

You yourself wrote how you 'sail smart' by avoiding dangerous areas and times of the year...A reliable database could be used to illustrate the wisdom of the approach or at least the lack of wisdom in getting into the Gulf Stream in a gale.

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Are you suggesting something like this table but for recreational and race boats?

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Are you suggesting something like this table but for recreational and race boats?

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A sticky thread at the top of the Sunk Boats forum would be good with limited details like name and date of incident. But it would need to be a Moderator only written thread or others would start discussion in there.

For it to be expanded with a bit of detail of the incident would take a fair bit of moderator work, and as they are not getting paid - and the Admins here appear scarce - it may be a hard ask.

An example: Bounty sank. Thats easy, it sank... But WHY it sank took 6 months to for the USCG to determine. (Funnily enough the thread on this form predicted each and every point brought out in the hearings and a summation of the thread could have been used as the reports fundings!)

In general, I think the new sunk, missing boat forum, when kept to one thread per incident, will provide an excellent resource in years to come.
Adding the date and vessel name to the subject box of the existing threads would be good too.

Indeed, I find some of the other forum users posts to be highly instructive and the good ones I read very carefully.

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Re: How Dangerous?

To me honest as supplement it would not be a bad idea
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