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I can only speak for the Buccaneer from a technical standpoint. The Buccaneer (and US Yachts) line have been the black sheep of sailing since introduced mainly because Buccaneer Yachts was owned by a powerboat company (Bayliner).Most of the negative comments are unfounded , and many are pure fiction. I have owned two Buccaneers (and a number of others, Columbia, Morgan, Newport, O''day) the 240 and the 270. The boats are NOT! chop, they are hand laid, with structural components tabbed to the hull. I was confronted by this attitude with my 240, I offered to take a number of people out on the boat Including a professional captain . I let them inspect the boat and sail it themselves. They all changed their opinion.No, they do not point well, no shoal draft fixed keel does, but careful attention to tunning your rig and sail trim helps considerably.If your engine vibrated the mounting bolts loose on your first time out, you got a bad survey!The boats are not bluewater boats, they are coastal cruisers, as most production boats are.Just enjoy your boat.
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I don''t know where you come up with the idea that Buccaneers are handlaid up hulls but having helped with repairs on a number of them, I assure you that they were loaded with chopped glass.

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Dear EvecircleM,

I own a Buccaneer 285 center cockpit with the Volvo md6b diesel. I live in Oceanside, on the South Shore of Long Island. I would be happy to talk with you about your boat and I invite you and a guest down to take a look at mine. She is in the water all year, so we might even go for a sail.
I am the webmaster of a site called The Buccaneer''s Home Port, which is deadicated to sharing knowledge and experience related to the Buccaneer. The site grew out of my frustration with trying to find info about the boat when I bought her. It seems to have grown into quite a resource for sailors, so take a look. The address is www.geocities.com/buccaneersailboats
Feel free to email me at buccaneersailboats@yahoo.com
In regards to the questions raised on this message thread, I wish to post a question that was sent in to my site and my response. I think it relivant. Here goes:
Rob writes:
I recently saw an ad for a 30'' foot Buccaneer which caught my attention. Curious as to what a comparable boat would be. Catalina? Lighter of heavier construction? Any info would be appriciated.
I can be contacted at Robertmaccallum@home.com


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For documentation on the boat that may shed some light on how it''s built and it''s features, check out the owners manual on Kevin Bell''s great site: www.cnw.com/`bell/ownersmanual.html and the specs on the main page here at the Buccaneer''s Homeport.
As far as a personal opinion, as the owner of a Bucc 285C and previously an O''Day 23, I can tell you what I like and don''t like about both.
The O''Day has a solid glass hull. I prefer a solid hull to the Buccaneer''s balsa cored hull for its lower chance of problems. I have had to do repairs on both boats, blisters on the O''Day and replace a section of core on the Bucc. The cored hull was fin when I got her. I made a stupid mistake and left some leaves covering the cockpit drain. After a week of rain I came down to the boat to see 5 inches of water in the cockpit Anything higher washed into the boat and found some spyder cracks in the inside layer of glass. The water was pumped out and the boat cleaned up and all was well I thought. A year later I was walking aft when i heard a distinct "squish". I knew I had water in there and after a few test holes in the inner skin once I was on land, I found out the extent of the damage and that it was fresh water, not salt ( You really DON"T want to taste it, trust me) and I figured out how it must have gotten in there. The repair itself was easy as the boat has no interior pan liner and there is access to most places. With the guidance of a surveyor nieghbor of mine, I did the repair myself in about 20 hours of work over two weeks time. I used about $300 of epoxy, glass and balsa mat. A local yard wanted $900 for the repair and would have certainly have done it in less time.
That repair is common to balsa cored hulls in general, not just the Bucc.
The keel, which is internal (no keel bolts to worry about!, except for the Doug Petersen designs) offers no access. It is plywood and glassed over. If water ever gets in, it has no way to get out. A common owner retrofit is a bilge pump and access panel supplementing the factory one under the inboard engine.
The O''Day had balsa cored decks that had turned to mush from years of fresh water leaks from deck fittings. The inner linner/core/outer deck left no way to repair the damage. The Buccaneers use a marine plywood deck that is a rot resistant, if a little heavy.
Another easily fixed issue is port light leaks. The ports are plexiglass with silicone sealant in plastic frames. The silicone should be replaced every few years as preventive maintainance.
I would say the Buccs compare favorably with Catalinas and Hunters from the same period, perhaps leaning more towards Hunters. They are VERY roomy for their length and can be obtained cheaply given their size. They have great headroom. Like any 20 year old boat, it should be looked at by someone knowledgeable to spot the small problems that may be bargining chips and the large ones that tell you to move on.
They are a lot to fun to sail, stable and spacious. They are great coastal cruisers but not generally thought of for open water crossings. They are not the fastest boats (again, with the exception of the doug Petersen designs) and they don''t track as well as boats with a longer keel, but with a 3 foot draft they can gunkhole where the other boats can''t get to...so don''t be surprised if you find yourself at some beautiful secluded anchorage with the place to yourself...even if it does take you a while to get there.

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Inregards to Buccaneer''s history, Jeff H is pretty much on target. There is more detail on my site. In regards to Jeff H''s Comments, I too think that he is quite knowledgable and think his comments are accurate, although I have found only hand laid glass in my hull and a mix of chopper glass and hand laid roving in the deck unit. Their rep is worse than it should be, but that keeps the price low too. If you have a sound boat, enjoy her and when you outgrow her, you can certainly move up. Don''t spend $10grand trying to make a $5k boat into a $15k one, it won''t happen. But if you got her for a reasonable price you may have gotten a deal. I paid $3k for mine, and she was usable as was. I did put in some money but wanted to completely refurbish her to learn how. It was not nessasary. Even with the money I put in, I have a total of $8k in a boat worth $8-10k for insurance purposes and $5-7k for real world sales purposes. But she is a 28'' inboard diesel that is in virtually new condition. I rebuilt the diesel, all the electrical and mechanical systems, new interior, new plumbing..the works. She is ideal for the shallow South shore with a 3'' draft. She has TONS of room an is surprisingly comfortable in a 3-4'' swell. I sail in the Ocean off of Long Beach and in the bays on the South Shore. I would not take her to Burmuda, but for coastal cruising she is fine. There are 6 other Buccs on Long Island that I know of.
I hope this has been helpful,
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To Jollyman Jeff
Thanks for the invitation. I might just take you up on that. Tell me do they still have the bikers and vintage cars at Nathans every tuesday night anymore? I am curious in reference to my boat, I recently renovated her. I had some water damage in the cabin area. So I had the floor redone. I was thinking of putting in some carpet. Do you have any suggestions as to what type I should use. I saw a beautiful boat in Oyster bay that had carpeting in it and I fell in love. Any suggestions? or do you think carpeting is a bad idea. Please let me know. And thanks again
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Hi Eve,
I would stay away from carpet if given a choice. Its a boat. It eventually going to get wet...or at least damp, and salt water is really tought to get to dry well. you also could get a nasty smell. I prefer the traditional teak and holly sole. I have seen everything from stick on vinyl tiles (not a safe choice..slippery) to carpet to wood. I did the teak and holly for less than $200 (www.woodply.com in Freeport, NY) and I am very happy with it.
Nathans is still there, and bike night is mostly a summer thing now. It is nowhere near what it was ten years ago. Car night got shut down about 7 years ago..less classics and more kids driving like idiots. The cops had to ticket the hell out of the place when people were drag racing on Long Beach rd. It was too dangerous.

I will be taking the boat out this weekend and next Christmas caroling if you want a ride. This past saturday (12/1) was SO nice.

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Hi Jeff,
Thanks for the information about the idea of putting carpeting in my boat. You are right about that. I didn''t think about dampness really. You said there is a place in Freeport where I can get some flooring? I know Freeport pretty well. I used to manage a hotel there for 10 years. It was called The Yankee Clipper Motor Lodge. I''m sure you heard of it. I was wondering is it still there? Last I heard it wasn''t. Anyway thanks for the tip about the boat. Talk to you later. Eve
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Ahoy, US Yacht owner, as distastefull as it is to me I have to agree with Jeff this time . The truth is , having worked in production glass boatbuilding I can say that Chopper rigs (The machine that sprays chopped glass and resin ) are very finiky devices which reguire endless tuning and maintenance and expert operation to be effective. With the possible exception of a hard dinghy I would never use this method of production for anything that carried me or my family out on the water. Balsa core''s aren''t much better for the very reasons you mentioned about soggy spots. Frankly I suggest you tow your miserable bad deal out to the bay and set it on fire. Next I suggest you take $100,000.00 and see Jeffs list on what to buy next. Third have Jeff find and arrange for the purchase of your new dream because no amount of professional expertise should be spared. (Just like money). I''m not sure if the " seen me comming " remark was a shot at sexual equality or not but if it was TOO BAD, were all equal it''s the law, don''t you know . Just remember there are three kinds of people : those who own sailboats(lucky), those who don''t own sailboats (unfortunate),and those who endlessly whine about quality,performance and IO or any other race standards (stupid). Why can''t you all just be happy and positive? Is it so hard to enjoy sailing ? Big Red 56
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The Yankee Clipper....If I remember correctly, that was the no-tell motel that Joey Buttafucco and Amy fisher used to enjoy...Its still there but under a different name I think.
A great source for Teak & Holly flooring in Freeport is woodply lumber. www.woodply.com
They are just west of the Meadowbrook and 1 block North of Home Depot. They have jsut about every exotic wood there is. I also have a half sheet (2x8) left over from my projects. I would sell it for $80, half of the full sheets cost. Nobody sells 1/2 sheets on LI and I only needed a 1/2 sheet, so I had to buy a full one.
There is a project page on my website that details the installation of the floor, www.geocities.com/buccaneersailboats
also some pics at http://communities.msn.com/BaylinerBuccaneerSloops

Let me know how things turn out.
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Hi Jeff,
You are partly correct about joey & Amy they stayed there at night mostly. My night man snuck them in on numerous occasion''s. I can''t tell you how many people I had to dodge during that episode. Eyewitness News, People magazine, detectives etc. This was to keep our lodge respectable. The main stay of the notorious couple was Freeport Motel. Anyway, getting back to the half sheet that you have. Is it teak wood or teak like wood? I gave alot of thought about what you said about the carpet. I''ve decided against it. Your right that would be a mess in no time. I''m going to check out your website now. Jeff have a really great holiday and thank''s for the info. Talk to you later
Happy Holidays,
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The wood is Teak & Holly veneered marine plywood. It is 1/4 inch thick. It is what is used in most better boats these days. I don''t know of anyone who uses solid teak and holly, only the ply. Here is a link to a pic. The lighter part has not been varnished yet. There are many suppliers of this product. Boulter plywood, noah''s boatbuilding supply. Put teak & holly into a search engine to find some other places, verify the product and price.
You have a great holdiay as well.
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