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Does anyone out there have any information on the USyacht? I have a 27ft.
You don''t see them around too often. Is there any particular reason for this other
than they are slow?
I recently acquired an 18'' US Yachts craft, probably built in 1981 or 1982. Sloop Sailor mentioned that he has further info about US Yachts - I''d love to learn more. I''m an absolute beginner, but the times I''ve had her out in a brisk breeze, she gave me a whale of a ride. Anyone? Can you tell me more about the company or where I might get original specs etc? Many thanks!
I have a Buccaneer that was left open by the previous owner for some time, had standing water inside and had the hull core soaked completely. I gutted her to the the outer hull bow to stern and can assure that the hull is roving, not chop. The only chop I found was where the bulkheads were tabbed to the inner layer of the hull, and this was fitted and tabbed quite well. Next spring I hope to have her back together and in the water.
This is a topic that comes up from time to time her and on other BB''s. From the various discussions on this and other BB''s it would appear that Bucaneers used varying degrees of chopped glass coring depending on year and model.
In one of these discussions on this topic, a fellow who actually worked at the factory described what he observed. He described that during the period that he was at the factory the hulls were laid up as follows: the molds were gelcoated. Depending on the model a layer of mat and roving was applied. Next came a chopped glass to build thickness and then depending on the model a layer of roving followed by mat (in exposed areas) or simply mat in concealed areas, was applied.
This matches what I saw in the Bucaneers that I have experienced.
He also indicated that he beleived that fairly large amounts of accelerators were used to speed final curing. This tends to make the resin more brittle over time.
Yes, the Buccaneers did use some chopper gunned glass. They are also not a world cruiser. The US Yachts have nothing, other than a parent company, in common. They were different designs, different constructions methods etc. The smaller US Yachts are not world cruisers, but they are fine costal cruisers. The larger boats, I expect, are very nice (33 on up).
I own a 1982 usyacht 25'' and would love to get my hands on any documentation associated with the boat. What do you have and what can I do to get copies?
To get info on US Yachts or Buccaneers there is a good owners forum at http://groups.msn.com/BaylinerBuccaneerSloops . Some helpful people and documents you are looking for.
Does anyone know where one can get parts for a US25? I work in a sail shop in Calgary Alberta and a customer has a gooseneck that is toast. However, I can not find anyone, anywhere, or any shop that seems to have prts tp replace it? Can someone direct me???
I would guess that they had either Racelite, Kenyon, or Dwyer rigging parts as they were the most common spar and small boat rigging sources in that era.
I too own a US25 I bought it new in 1981. I have some info on all the USYACHT line from 18''- 42'' someday I actually get my webpage posted.
I have to say. FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO SAY THAT BAYLINERS USYACHT LINE OF SAILBOATS ARE SLOW AND MADE OF CHOP HAVE NOT SEEN MINE. I have cut a hole through the hull for a knot meter installation and the hull is made of hand laid glass woven layers about one quarter inch thick with 3/4" marine grade plywood laminated to the inside. As far as glass chop the only place I have found it is where the interior partitions are molded into place.
I am not a racer but in our racing club I came in 5 out of 9 boats for the season. the only boat and crew that beat me were the Capri 25''s two each, a J-24, a SanJuan 24, all of which were fin keel and crews used their spinnakers . mine is a shoal draft and my crew gave up on the spinnaker sailing.
Even thought the other boats were rated faster several times I was close at the first windward mark through watching the windshifts.
I LOVE MY US25 Many persons walk up thinking it is an Erickson. I only have majer problems in light air using the 150 gennoa not wanting to point. This can be remedied somewhat by moving the crew forward on the deck which moves the center of lateral resistance forward. I would not hesitate purchasing a 27'' or 30 USYacht.
I have sailed from florida to bahamas. Based on the quality of my boat I would sail one of their 30-42'' boats to the bahamas with the right equipment.
I have some pictures of my boats constructon as I am in the process of redoing the interior.....
I too own a US25 I bought it new in 1981. I have some info on all the USYACHT line from 18''- 42'' someday I actually get my webpage posted.
I have to say. FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO SAY THAT BAYLINERS USYACHT LINE OF SAILBOATS ARE SLOW AND MADE OF CHOP HAVE NOT SEEN MINE. I have cut a hole through the hull for a knot meter installation and the hull is made of hand laid glass woven layers about one quarter inch thick with 3/4" marine grade plywood laminated to the inside. As far as glass chop the only place I have found it is where the interior partitions are molded into place.
I am not a racer but in our racing club I came in 5 out of 9 boats for the season. the only boat and crew that beat me were the Capri 25''s two each, a J-24, a SanJuan 24, all of which were fin keel and crews used their spinnakers . mine is a shoal draft and my crew gave up on the spinnaker sailing.
Even thought the other boats were rated faster several times I was close at the first windward mark through watching the windshifts.
I LOVE MY US25 Many persons walk up thinking it is an Erickson. I only have majer problems in light air using the 150 gennoa not wanting to point. This can be remedied somewhat by moving the crew forward on the deck which moves the center of lateral resistance forward. I would not hesitate purchasing a 27'' or 30 USYacht.
I have sailed from florida to bahamas. Based on the quality of my boat I would sail one of their 30-42'' boats to the bahamas with the right equipment.
I have some pictures of my boats constructon as I am in the process of redoing the interior.....
Good day,SloopSailer, am I glad I saw your message as I was getting concerned about my purchase of my US 27, based on the diologue going on . She is everything I have been looking for, from size to options, wheel and diesel.I have begun removing the roof liner as the windows have leaked and had been poorly repaired.I have found only a very small spot of delamination on the port side the size of a hand and strees crack under the tabernacle the rest is excellent for a boat that is 20 plus years . I would greatly appreciate any information or copies of liturature that you might forward to me as I plan to bring her back to bristal condition.I know what was said about putting money into these models but I could never sail anything that I am not proud of. My very best regards Yvan
Don't believe evrything you hear. If you like the boat use it. My USYacht 27 just completed a 700 mile journey from Milwaukee to North Lake Superior. It performed beautifully. By the way it wasn't Pearson who designed the US Yacht ,it was Peterson. There are issues with the interior cabin sole, as it isn't really marine ply. The hulls themselve are built pretty well. At 6000 lbs. they are one of the heaviest 27 around. Mine's not fast, but I've been on Michigan in 6 footers with no worries. I've been on Superior in rain, flat calms and 5 foot swells. No trouble. Think of it as a unique boat, not a dog.
And for what its worth, for the record, no one said, Pearson designed the US Yachts 27. Pearson bought the tooling, improved the quality and sold it as a Pearson Triton II. Doug Peterson designed a couple of the US Yachts (32 and allegedly the 23), but he did not design the 27.
Doug Peterson designed the Canadian built Chaser 29s and 33s. These hullmolds were bought by Bayliner at some point and the 29 became the Buccanneer 295 with a new deck and interior. After the name change to US Yachts the 295 was tweaked into the 30 (not to be confused with the Garden designed US 305) and the Chaser 33 became the US 33.
Gary Mull allegedly designed the US 25 and 22.
Just before their demise, US yachts also purchased the molds of the Huntingford-designed Cooper 353 and 416 pilothouse series and produced a few as US 35s and US 42s, I believe.
After being a member of this forum for only a short time, I have noticed that you seem to have amassed a huge amount of insight into the various sailboat builders, models, techniques, and designs. Have you ever considered compiling this knowledge? I would love to see your opinions on all of the various yachts you are familiar with. My marina is full or vintage boats, but I have not a clue as to which are valuable and which are junk. Perhaps you are already published? If not, maybe this forum or a personal blog would be the way to go if you were so inclined. Anyone second this?
Hello, I just joined this forum and it is interesting to hear about the history of the US Yachts. I bought a US27 (1981) about 6 months ago. The previous owner neglected to take care of her and I recently tore out the interior. In reference to past postings about glass, I can say that I have seen my entire hall naked. The hall is covered in glass cloth and the top is three layers; fiberglass (w/cloth), balsa core, and an additional layer of chopped glass. Perhaps the person that said they only saw chopped glass, only saw the cabin's ceiling. Then again, construction could vary by year and model. I am currently living on my boat in Alaska. The weather is very hard on boats here. It is hard to keep a good seal around hardware and windows. I have had a terrible time sealing up my chain plates that attach to the interior center bulkheads. I had to replace all my bulkheads due to leaks and I don't want to have to do it again… ever! I have been using 5200. Does any one have any tricks??? Thanks, Stacia
It seems that all chain olates that penetrate the deck either leak orare going to leak soon. I have a US 25 and have resigned myself to lifting the reinforcing plates and re-sealing yearly. On the 25 ft. the chain plates are bolted to a couple of stringers which run the length of the head, portside and hanging locker, stbd. These are in turn bolted via angle plates (Aluminum, YUK) to the bulkheads. I have had to replace the stringers due to rot and the angle plates due to corrosion, but fortunately not the bulkheads. I guess the chainplates move a lot more than I would have thought, and if the sealant hardens due to age, or perhaps in your case cold as well it will open up, and rainwater running down the shrouds will inevitably end up where it does not belong. I'm not sure how much you suffer from freeze/thaw cycles but if there is any water in between the caulking and the plate or deck it will separate even more when it freezes and expands. I run a fillet of sikaflex around the chainplates and deckplates after sealing under and keep a close eye for deterioration of the seal. I have also thought that some kind of inverted cone arrangement like a small plastic funnel stuffed into the bottom of the shroud covers might direct a lot of the water outward away from the plates but I have never tried it.
As SD points out above and in his POST (link above) it is considered bad form to resurrect old threads. However, if you wish to get in touch with darrell123, I suggest that you Private Message (PM) him. This will notify him at his last registered email address, and when (if) he next logs into Sailnet.
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-Ed
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