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labatt - weight aloft concerns me a bit but nevertheless it seems an interesting option. I have read a few negative comments regarding this arrangement and that gives me pause. I like to get lines away from the mast so I have my spare/spinnaker halyards tied off to the pulpit. On one occasion managed to get the genoa half furled and then wrapped around the spare halyards. By the time I got it cleared it had turned into a bloody expensive Sunday afternoon sail I can tell you but thankfully I did manage to convince madam that divorce was probably a slight over reaction on her part. How big was the boat you were sailing on ? I'm not sure that we'd have enough foredeck space to fit a second furler but the old dear (henceforth to be known as the Silver Raven ) is only 34'.

catamount - great link, thank you. Their new boat (Hawk) is a larger version of the Raven. Well, alright, much larger ! Oh OK, same designer anyway.

Interesting chat this one, thanks to you all.

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You'd be better off tying the halyards to a shackle or fitting on the starboard or port chainplates or shrouds. They're far less likely to interfere with the headsails, and far less likely to get the headsail wrapped around them. Leading the halyards forward is just asking for trouble. Also, doing that might cause problems with your roller furling gear if either of the halyards are slack and gets wrapped around the furling gear...good way to wreck the furling foil.

If the reason you want to keep the lines away from the mast, I'd also recommend putting halyard catchers on the spreaders. If you do that, you can tie the halyards off at the bottom of the mast, and they still won't make any noise, since the halyards won't be close enough to the mast to slap.

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How big was the boat you were sailing on ? I'm not sure that we'd have enough foredeck space to fit a second furler but the old dear (henceforth to be known as the Silver Raven ) is only 34'.
Much bigger... one was a 42 and the other was a 44 (48 with the sprit).
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Sd - I'm beginning to realise this. Previous boat I didn't have any problems in donkey's years but she was hanked headsail so maybe that was why. I've been thinking of the chainplates idea so I'll give your idea a go. Other possibility is to the mast step (she has a deck stepped mast).Part of the reason (other than habit) I tied them forward was room at the mast. I need to add a couple of extra attachment points. It's one of those gradual improvements I've been making. Don't rush me mate, it took me and madam six months to agree on a new name. Guess who won the argument ? No prizes.

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Much bigger... one was a 42 and the other was a 44 (48 with the sprit).
Oh well, that idea might have to wait until we take delivery of the Swan. :-)

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The more I go into this the more I realise how little I really know. What we are really talking about is something akin to a Code Zero. I'd heard the term before but as I never race (other than the occasional twilight but that's all a bit hit and giggle and no spinnakers) I'd presumed some new fangled racing kevlar super product that was of no interest to a cruiser. Wrong again. The Code Zero is an assymetric sail, set flying which while not for close hauled use is for close reaching. Mind you they were designed for a Volvo 70 and what those things call close reaching I'm sure is close hauled for the Raven. Negative, apparently, is stress. This is made worse in the V70 as they are a fractional rig but the CZ is reputed to place enormous strain on the rig. They are also a major handful but that may be because of exotic cloth. Regarding the stress on the rig I presume this comes from the forces at work on a tight reach and the fact that all the strain is taken only at the masthead and deck with no stay to spread some of the load.

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I've been thinking of the chainplates idea so I'll give your idea a go. Other possibility is to the mast step (she has a deck stepped mast).Part of the reason (other than habit) I tied them forward was room at the mast. I need to add a couple of extra attachment points. It's one of those gradual improvements I've been making. Don't rush me mate, it took me and madam six months to agree on a new name. Guess who won the argument ? No prizes.
She won...and you're a smart man for letting her. As for the Code Zero, it may not be as much of a strain as you think, given that many are made with a wire luff and can be furled (not reefed) on a roller furling system.

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