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Jim, West should be able to have them shipped to a local store for pickup, without any shipping charge. And Defender ought to be able to send them UPS or USPS without charging a fortune. No?
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The Weems and Plath course protractor I noted above can be purchased at Amazon for $16.20
Amazon.com: Weems & Plath Protractor 255: Sports & Outdoors
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If you sign up for the USPS basic boating, or navigation courses, you get one of their proprietary plastic plotting protractors. The course is free, but the protractor and course book are included for a nominal course material's charge. It's perhaps the best value out there.

It's been many years since my wife and I took the course, but I still use my protractor on occasion.
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hellosailor,

Yeah, but the time... I'd like to have them NLT mid-next-week. West Marine doesn't even list most, or maybe even any of them on their web site.

cam,

I noticed. But for the other two I'd have to go two other Amazon sellers. Again: The shipping would be a killer.

Good news: Persistence paid off. Found a place on the west side of Michigan that had all three items I wanted in stock. (Got the last Weems Protractor they had, too.) They think they'll even be able to ship today. So I might have 'em by Monday or so.

Oh yeah: And their prices were competitive .

Thanks again for the help, guys!

Jim
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Mechanical pencils, eh? How can you guys complicate things any more? I can think of a dozen ways to sharpen a pencil on a boat or ship. I'm at a loss as to how to fix a rusted or salt encrusted mechanical pencil, or fish the leads out of a dark bilge. But hey, it must work for ya.

I lost track of how many charts I'd cleaned up about a month on my second mate's license. The desirability of a soft lead is that it erases easily, if somewhat messily, and does not imprint the chart the way a harder lead does. A harder lead will leave it's imprint, and some lead, on the chart. You have to really press down with the eraser to get down into the imprint the harder lead makes, thus scrubbing away paper. If you are using the same chart for multiple plotting of DR tracks, those imprints can be distracting. Particularly under red light at night.

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I purchased one of the first NC-77's to come out. What a great machine! Calculating Great Circle courses for trans oceanic passages went from a two hour ordeal to a seven minute, if that, breeze. Of course, I still charged the company the two hours OT for laying out the GC as the NC-77 was my own. I did not find it quite as handy for stars, but that's probably just me. Hidebound. I'll bet not many people know that you can use your GPS to calculate compass error. And I don't mean by monitoring CMG on it. Started out using the Tamaya for that as well. Wished I'd thought of that little nugget when I was debating Cam on the relative merits of celestial navigation. (g)
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"Mechanical pencils, eh? How can you guys complicate things any more? "
I'd argue that you've got it backwards. I've known some mechanical pencils to fail, or apparently fail, when a short lead jammed them. No problem, the ones sold for drafting and other "real" non-cosmetic use almost all have a cleaning needle on the underside of the lead, to clear jams. A sewing needle or straight pin also works.
Never had one rust or wear out, although I think my oldest is only 25-30 years old. But best of all? I can buy a box of disposable mechanicals that use .5mm lead for a buck, and if I add more lead (they're refillable, too) to each one, each one can outlast 5+ Ticonderogas. With no sharpening, no dirt to make, nothing to look for in the bilge, just one "pencil" that keeps writing for years.
If it breaks? I don't need to whip out something sharp or rough to make a new point, I can grab the next one. But, if that's a "complication" for you...obviously you've bought the Pardeys' old boat and still have no engine, right?< VBG >

The NC-77 was a miracle, but a used PalmIII for $25 and some nav software for $20 more becomes much easier to FIND. More versatile, easier to replace or carry a spare, too. John Manson's Pilot Navigator Software - Handheld Software for Pilots & Sailors strongly recommended, he's a very accommodating and responsive author/vendor as well.

Dunno how you can accept the NC-77 if a mechanical pencil is too complicated for your style, though. < VBG >
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Some things we find that just work, and we seek no further. I've never seen a mechanized pencil on board ship, although I'm sure there are such things on some ships, somewhere. Do you equip your pencil in some type of flotation gear in heavy weather? (vbg)

The reason I like the NC-77 over some other efforts is it' simplicity. Complicating what should be simple things leads to accidents. KISS.

Just one step above the Pardey's. Or below depending on your viewpoint. 2-cycle outboard, used twice per season. Twice too often. (g)
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I've never seen a mechanized pencil on or off a boat. Is that something like mechanized artillery?

OTOH I've seen plenty of mechanical pencils. I've still got some #2's around, but I have no idea where I got them, I certainly haven't BOUGHT any in over 25 years.

Isn't the pink thing on the top of the pencil the PencilPFD?
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No, no, no-that's the working end. (g)
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The NC-77 was a miracle, but a used PalmIII for $25 and some nav software for $20 more becomes much easier to FIND. More versatile, easier to replace or carry a spare, too. John Manson's Pilot Navigator Software - Handheld Software for Pilots & Sailors strongly recommended, he's a very accommodating and responsive author/vendor as well.

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Daauummmmm!

Thats nice!!!!

My old Palm IIIe may get used again.
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