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Don't think it's necessarily a case of "smart" vs. "dumb". Unless you were lucky enough to be "born into" sailing like I was, I think it's pretty intimidating for most people to start up in sailing if they don't know anyone with a boat already.

I have to tip my hat to my parents, who in the early 1960's took a weekend sailing course, and bought a boat. (a Shark) That took courage.

On a side note, yesterday I rigged a snap shackle from that original boat on the Hobie Wave I bought for my kids this year. That was pretty cool.
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As I was explaining to a power-boat-owning buddy: I think one of the big differences between power-boaters and sailors is that a sailboat, by its very nature, has a steeper learning curve. I think this tends to result in more savvy skippers.

My wife and I have been out in our boat a half-dozen times, so far. We've yet to have had any sailboat do anything stupid in our sight. (Well, other than the neighbour that *cough* rammed our stern rail.) But as for powerboats: We had one just plain stop dead at the end of a channel, with us behind him and a raft of other boats behind us. Blocking the outgoing side of the channel. Absolutely oblivious.

A couple of weekends ago, the canal was lousy with powerboats coming in just as we were coming in. Looked like rush hour on the freeway. They'd come in from one side or the other, cut each other off, etc. We several times had to go into neutral, or even reverse, to stay a safe distance back from them.

Had a powerboat yesterday, out on the lake, one of those big floating sky-scrapers, coming directly across our course, on a collision course. Did he yield? Hell no. We did an emergency tack. (And not very cleanly, either.) He never slowed. He never changed course. He just kept on going.

And another, much smaller powerboat, in front of us in the canal yesterday. Weaving back-and-forth at a speed below our idle speed. Gave him a short toot of the horn. His two passengers glanced back and he just kept doing what he'd been doing.

I didn't used to have an "attitude" about powerboaters. I'm quickly developing one .

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I didn't used to have an "attitude" about powerboaters. I'm quickly developing one .

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Well Jim, get used to it. There is some truth to this stereotype. I say all you need to be a motor boater is a gold chain and a case of beer.

There are some A-hole sailors out there too though. I just think there may be less of them due to the skill required to pilot a sailboat, or maybe we just don't notice them as much because it's hard to look like you are doing much wrong at 5-6kts. Go watch a sail race and see how they cut each other off, sail within feet of each other, and even get into collision situations because they are "stand on vessel" regardless of if it is prudent seamanship or not. There are some unseamanlike sailors too.

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I'd have to agree that sailing, by its very nature, requires a sailor to think far more than a powerboater is forced to. To sail a boat takes more skill and thought than driving a powerboat—where you just slam the throttles forward and point the boat where you want it to go...

Yes, this is a bit of on oversimplification, but not too much so.

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There are some A-hole sailors out there too though. I just think there may be less of them due to the skill required to pilot a sailboat, or maybe we just don't notice them as much because it's hard to look like you are doing much wrong at 5-6kts. Go watch a sail race and see how they cut each other off, sail within feet of each other, and even get into collision situations because they are "stand on vessel" regardless of if it is prudent seamanship or not. There are some unseamanlike sailors too.
That's a bit harsh... Every been in a big race?? It can get pretty emotional at the helm of a large, heavy, not-overly-manuverable-yacht in the flukey winds and chop caused by lots of others in close proximity at the start of an important race. Win at all costs!!! and shout the loser back at the bar.

Anyways, everyone knows that if you get any two yachts on the same bit of water, you have a race ...but methinks that idiots in stinkboats and those mindless PWCs are from a completely different mold.

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I think the sailor-stigma is more about how much time we seem to 'waste' and not so much about the $$$. (I also think my own mom holds this grudge against me, sigh.)

And the only thing we can do with the powerboaters is treat 'em like we want to be treated. (It's called The Golden Rule and it works everywhere.)

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SD You are very much correctomundo !

Many many powerboaters buy their boat and think that they just have to nail the throttle and go with no clue about draft whatsoever - just look at the number of powerboats with destroyed outdrives (lower units ?) Sure there is a saying that "you're not a sailor until you've run aground - TWICE" but when a powerboat does it at 60+MPH there is a whole new level of damage. Thats another thing -when's the last time you saw a powerboat ad saying
OUR BOAT CAN DO 70+KNOTS powerboaters (for the most part) don't have an effin clue what a knot is other than something they put in their shoes no the ads always read in big red or yellow letters 90MPH along with photos of amply endowed members of the fairer sex (she's got HUGE tracts of land)
I remember an ad from the early 90's either for Fomula or maybe Warlock that read something like

NO BRAKES
NO LIMITS
NO RULES

the manufacturers just want to sell boats and they will gladly encourage deviant behavior to do so
on a positive note - the operator of a powerboat involved in fatal accident last year is apparently going to jail - is it fair justice ? hell no ! but we'll take what we can get

Who cares what psychiatrists write on walls !
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