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I read years ago that the classic case justifying anchor balls came from a cruise liner that got into difficulties in a harbour. In extricating itself, it wiped out some 20 yachts at anchor. The subsequent enquiry found the captain not responsible for the damage as he was manoeuvring with difficulty and displaying the correct signs. The yachts showed no signs indicating that they were at anchor, so had responsibility to keep clear.

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A cone?

I don't have one... I don't even have a radar reflector on board... I bought a radar reflector from WWII era, but kept it in the house as a sulvenier...
I only motor with the sails up to escape from oncoming ferries or their wakes...
I noticed that no one really uses marine signals nowadays... Not even their VHFs... And more sadly most of the sailboats around Old Saybrook area motors. Waste of a lot of beautiful sailboats around there
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I read years ago that the classic case justifying anchor balls came from a cruise liner that got into difficulties in a harbour. In extricating itself, it wiped out some 20 yachts at anchor. The subsequent enquiry found the captain not responsible for the damage as he was manoeuvring with difficulty and displaying the correct signs. The yachts showed no signs indicating that they were at anchor, so had responsibility to keep clear.
I'm getting an anchor ball... ! And a decent radar reflector...! Today!
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Recreational vessels under 12 meters in length are not required to display dayshapes in inland waters.
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I'm not always in inland waters.
Neither am I . . . unless it's 100 feet down in an inland, underground freshwater Mexican cenote.




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I'm not always in inland waters.
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A very useful thread. I own neither a cone nor a white ball, and I haven't seen either on Georgian Bay in the Great Lakes.
The collision regs under the Canada Shipping Act (Rule 25) state:
"A vessel proceeding under sail when also being propelled by machinery shall exhibit forward where it can best be seen a conical shape, apex downwards." If you're a sea lawyer, that says the cone is only required when you're motoring AND you have sails up.

The regs are a bit more vague about the ball at anchor. Rule 30 says:

(a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen:

(i) in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball,

(ii) at or near the stern and at a lower level than the light prescribed in subparagraph (i), an all-round white light.

(b) A vessel of less than 50 metres in length may exhibit an all-round white light where it can best be seen instead of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule.

So you can read that exemption for vessels less than 50 meters that they only have to exhibit one all-round white light instead of the "lights" prescribed. Note that the rules say nothing about day and night, only that in a ship more than 50 meters long, the forward white light cam be substituted by a ball. So if you're less than 50 meters and you only have to show one light, it doesn't follow that you'd need the ball as well, which is only mentioned in relation to a big ship with a separate anchoring display forward. So I say: no ball when anchoring a vessel less than 50 meters in Canada, day or night. Correct? (That said, put a bright orange float on a line to my anchor to show its position.)
The Office of Boating Safety's Safe Boating Guide goes on in great detail about regs affecting pleasure craft, and has zilch to say about an inverted cone underway for sailboats (although you are directed to inspect the colregs) or a ball while at anchor. So there should be little surprise that hardly anyone in Canada (including me) owns these items or is even aware of them. That said, maybe I should get myself a cone. I do have the required radar reflector.

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Rick- that's the dayshape for "stay clear, mean, ugly SOB" right? At least that was always my reaction when we lived inland(unless it was in my yard, then I took it to mean "hit with shovel or other heavy object". John
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That a big-ass rattler Rick, in easy reach of your family's jewels. But, judging by the bloody head, my guess is it's already dead.
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