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Thanks for your posts so far. Faster is right, that we were sailing in BC coastal waters, not a harbour, but a channel that was more narrow than most of that area. To respond to the request for more information:

1) We were sailing north with full sails up, at speed about 6 knots, the fishing boat was coming south on our port side, with about 500 feet or more between us (a bit hard to guess exact distance).

2) It was daylight with good visibility, slight chop/waves, breezy--just a really good sailing day.

3) The fishing boat was coming down the middle of the channel, so I had already headed off further to starboard to give more room, and thought there was plenty of space between us.

4) The fishing boat was travelling under power, with a small bow wave. It was a fairly traditional looking fishing boat--looked a bit like a tugboat, with the metal poles (outriggers?--I don't know much about fishing ) not quite vertical on either side of the boat (ie. at about 11:00 and 1:00 position on port and starboard. There was no visible sign of netting or of fishing activity underway (to my untrained eye), but I may not know what to look for. There were no buoys or markers in the water.

5) The fishing boat and our boat were the only boats in sight.

6) I was on the helm and watching the fishing boat quite carefully for any sign of anything--he did not change speed or course, but he did come forward on his boat to sound his horn 5 times (I know that means possible danger) and wave his arm and yell something. I interpreted that to mean that he thought we were too close, and immediately turned hard to starboard to create as much additional room as possible. He acknowledged that with a wave and continued on his way. At no time did he change speed or direction.

7) I didn't interpret any of his actions as malicious or rude, but was puzzled that he thought we were too close when I thought we had left him plenty of room (I think about 500 feet or more, enough that I could see him but not make out any facial features, nor understand what he shouted--but close enough that I could hear his air horn and that he had yelled something at us).

So mainly I am wondering, for future, how much room fishing boats need, how to tell if they are actively fishing or just motoring along, and if this varies according to the type of fishing underway.

I can tell the difference between these fisherman and recreational fisherman, and also those working on crab pots, so my question is more about a fishing boat underway as outlined above.

Thanks again for your replies and for any additional thoughts on this.

Frank.

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If they are in the channel do not they pose a hazard to navigation in and of themselves?
I routinely give anchored bass boat/sportfisher types a ration of crap when they anchor in the 100 yard wide mouth of the Magothy river -it's a marked channel both red and green marks, and when I say anchored I mean anchored dead smack in the middle.
Comments welcome..am I right to give 'em hell?
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That's bizarre, how long have they been there? In one place? Have you ever seen them being tended?

It is very out of character for nets that far offshore to be located in a stationary position for very long (more than a week or so). I wonder if they are abandoned or lost?

No high-flyers? Beer Kegs? Very peculiar.

Wow, what 2 minutes can do.... I was responding to True Blue's post about the RI offshore nets.
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I am using "channel" a bit loosely. It was not a marked channel with red/green buoys to mark navigation; rather it was a relatively narrow stretch of water. It is wide enough there that neither of us was blocking navigation, so no violation of regulations, other than the question of whether I had given enough room, and perhaps whether he should have given any other indication of fishing being underway.

As I mentioned in the posts above, I had thought I had given more than enough room, and I don't think he was trying to create a problem for me, as he seemed satisfied when I veered off to starboard to give more room. I'm still puzzled as to how 500 feet of room between the boats would cause concern--but I don't know what he might have been dragging behind under water.

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I think you are dead on, Chuck. Anchoring in a channel is a no-no IMHO; esp a narrow one like you describe.


Frank, sounds like you did the right thing too. It's hard to know what CF's are doing, even having been one.

And technically, a commercial fising vessel that is actively fishing should be flying a day signal. (Usually an fish basket hung in the rigging, though there is an official one, an cylinder maybe?)
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a Cone, inverted I thought...(navigation impeded, or maybe that's anchored)..
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A ball is for anchored .....

Cone is for under sail and power, no?

Double cone maybe?
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That's bizarre, how long have they been there? In one place? Have you ever seen them being tended?

It is very out of character for nets that far offshore to be located in a stationary position for very long (more than a week or so). I wonder if they are abandoned or lost?

No high-flyers? Beer Kegs? Very peculiar.

Wow, what 2 minutes can do.... I was responding to True Blue's post about the RI offshore nets.
It is bizarre, but apparently the trap company has had the rights for this spot for decades. The nets have been there for as long as we've been boating off Newport's coastline - since the late 80's. It's not marked on the current charts, but the USCG Notice to Mariners has noted it several times.

Here are two charts, one a reduced and cropped portion of the Block Island to Martha's Vineyard chart, the other a closeup of the net area which I've crudely marked. The red line is the course between Can 2 and the Sakonnet Point bouy, two waypoints commonly used enroute to Cuttyhunk Island, a layover to the Vineyard and shown to the far right of the first chart. The blue dots represent the floating beer kegs. You can see how disruptive the net is.


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Double Cones, points together so it looks like an hourglass............. (you are WAY more likely to see a basket in the rigging, I haev never known a fisherman to use the official day signal, and you will WAY impress them by knowing what the basket is for!)

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/nmc/navrules.pdf page 93

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TB, yes they are set up like a picket line, what a PIA!!!

From what you say it seems to me like they are there not for fishing but as a place holder of some sort to keep some sort of lease "grandfathered".

Not cool, but probably not uncommon.
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