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post #31 of 63 Old 08-02-2011
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I've been sailing on the Chain O' Lakes in IL for the past month. I'm in a little 17 footer. If you know anything about the chain, there is not one power boat out there less than 500 HP. Typically there will be one boat that will go by with poor intent either circling me like I'm a racing buoy, or turning away just as they go by. It happens once every time I go out, but it doesn't bother me much. OK, some people are jerks and they are usually gone quick. Most of the time, they fly by up on plane, making very little wake. About half the boats slow up from 30 down to about 20, creating a bigger wake. Just ignorance. The roar is probably much more annoying than the wake. As long as I know they see me, I really don't care if they go by me at 60+. That just means they are gone sooner. I usually wave, we are all having fun.

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The only powerboaters that really bother me are the inconsiderate ones. Inconsideration is a lot like pornography....I can't define it for you, but I sure as heck know it when I see it.

Inconsideration gets me. So does ignorance, but now quite as much. I don't excuse ignorance, because my attitude is that if you're going to share the waterways with me, you need to educate yourself so you're a participant and not a contaminant.

The powerboat attitude often comes through in the name of the boat. I've seen "Bad Attitude", "Intimidator", "Avenger", "Bad Boy IV", etc. What's up with that?

If you've chosen to own and operate a vessel that throws a wake, be responsible for it.
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I think the problem boils down to lack of respect for your fellow man....lets face it no one gives a crap about anyone or anything anymore. COMMON COURTESY IS GONE! I was taught common courtesy at a young age. for example... Kids walk in the street like they own it regardlass if there is a car. when i was a kid i would get a swift smack to the back of the head if i did not get out of the street when a car was coming....same thing with boating. i remember many boats on the lake i sailed slowing down to a crawl if they were anywher near me, now i cant even get the coast guard boats coming in and out of the channel to slow down and not create a wake. people see you swaying about, changing your course to hit there wake head on and they will do it again tomorrow to you or the next guy because they simply DO NOT CARE!!!!
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I think the problem boils down to lack of respect for your fellow man....lets face it no one gives a crap about anyone or anything anymore. COMMON COURTESY IS GONE! I was taught common courtesy at a young age. for example... Kids walk in the street like they own it regardlass if there is a car. when i was a kid i would get a swift smack to the back of the head if i did not get out of the street when a car was coming....same thing with boating. i remember many boats on the lake i sailed slowing down to a crawl if they were anywher near me, now i cant even get the coast guard boats coming in and out of the channel to slow down and not create a wake. people see you swaying about, changing your course to hit there wake head on and they will do it again tomorrow to you or the next guy because they simply DO NOT CARE!!!!
I disagree. It may be reflection of my geography or culture, but 95% of the people I come in contact with, whether on land or water, are courteous. Of the other 5%, 2% are having a very bad day. Another 2% are having a very bad life. And the remaining 1% are natural a-holes.
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I disagree. It may be reflection of my geography or culture, but 95% of the people I come in contact with, whether on land or water, are courteous. Of the other 5%, 2% are having a very bad day. Another 2% are having a very bad life. And the remaining 1% are natural a-holes.
must be nice where you are, here in the norfolk, va area of the US, i doubt you will find people to be so nice! if everyone in my world was as courteous as you say i doubt we would be discussing this topic at all. this wake problem happens almost everytime i head out, dock mate with Catalina 25 took green water in the forward hatch because of one these 40Ft+ sportfishing clowns who frankly doesnt care about you, your boat or your safety! Period! and if you look at the dates on this thread it is not a new problem, so either the same 1% OF A-HOLES all own power boats and are making trips to a marina near you....I would say it is a larger problem of people just not giving a crap!

whatever the issue is, there is complete disreguard for you or I in our sailboats, kayaks, whatever. i know if i had a power boat i would slow down in a channel nor would I pass by someone 20ft off their bow or stern . i think i show common courtesy, i hold doors for people, i say thank you and your welcome. i cannot however say that that courtesy is extended to me. dont get me wrong there are still nice people everywhere....just not as many! and definitely even less in our youth. This how I see it!
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Keep in mind that the majority of boats out on the water ( at least in the great lakes and coastal waters ) are power boats, thus increasing the chance that you'll run across one that's an idiot. Add to that the skill levels needed to operate a powerboat vs. sailboat and the speed they move at ( reaction time, etc., plus the natural drop in intelligence that happens with an increase in speed ), and that accounts for most of the wake problems rather than a general lack of civility.
From my perspective I'd tell powerboaters that if your passing me either get up on plane or slow right down. Most, however, think they are doing you a favor by comming of plane into half plane position making things worse. It's not that they are being discourteouse they just don't know. last week I had water wash across my deck for the first time, caused by the wake from a 50'+ power boat trolling across the lake on half plane. He wasn't near shore, this was him driving his boat in what he considers normal mode. While I was mad, I realized that he wasn't an a**hole, he was just clueless.
Personal watercraft are differant, you could take Albert Einstien and put him on a PWC and he'd turn into a moron. Which explains why so many are yellow and short.
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Wow... you guys have [literally] larger issues than do I with this. My wife says I turn into a raving lunatic on weekends when the stinkpots are most prolific. My situation is the same, except on a much smaller scale.

With a 22 foot sailboat, and a leaded keel, I figured I'd have a reasonable time on a 13 mile inland man-made lake for stability. Not so. It is primarily a motor-boater/water skier/lake lice type of lake, however sailboats do frequent (making up less than 20% of the boats). Because, however, motorboats don't have the keel limitations a sailboat usually does, they place exceedingly large motorboats on the lake (upwards of 35 feet).

I have had boats circle me, buzz my bow, and go from a full plane (smaller wake lets face it), to half-plane (with wrong trim), and cause crashing waves across my bow. I am cursing, most of the time this is happening (my bad form).

The other day (night?) we took a night sail, and discovered it was commonplace for stink-pot drivers (hard to call them boaters), to A) use "headlights" and B) use spotlights to light up the pretty sail! During my 45 minute "motor" back to the marina (wind died completely).

Night vision nearly destroyed by the stupidity, it made for a difficult navigation of the water with no moon out.

For the record I even had a pontoon boat (with headlights - looked like a pickup truck on the water driving), cut back and forth behind my boat less than 50 feet away (probably drunk). While I was trying to negotiate shallow waters around an island.

No I don't think it is a new problem. I also don't think these people are reading their boating registration safety guidelines books (PA provides a safe boaters regs manual that nearly duplicate Coast Guard regs).

I really am not sure what you do other than put the boat police on them, and it is such a rampant problem I don't think you could find enough police to track all the offenders down.
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Once again proving Vega's axiom: Quality of life is inversely proportional to population density.

In the Pacific Northwest, we learned it is best to remain at the dock on summer weekends. Here in Hawaii it is not so much of a problem because a) there are fewer motor yachts, and b) "Off shore" is just a mile or so from the marina.


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This is a really annoying problem in the Puget Sound area. I agree with others that much of the problem is caused by callous ignorance, rather than malicious intent. There are a lot of displacement hull power boats in the region. Generally very nice folks. However, if I'm under power at 6.5 knots, they will frequently pass me at 8-9 knots. I don't have a problem with this, but for the most part, the waters here in Puget Sound are plenty open. They don't need to pass within 30 meters of my boat. They can easily go wide but the don't.

There is a different problem in the summer with wake boarders who consistently ignore the posted no-wake zones around docks or waterways that are too narrow. Local laws specify a no-wake zone within 200 yards of any shoreline, pier, moorage, or swimming area. These folks will routinely wake board in a channel that is less than 400 yards wide. Occasionally, the Sheriff will show up, but they are spread too thin. I've wondered what the Sheriff would do if presented with video evidence?

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I have yet to experience a dangerous wake, most power boaters I have encountered on the water and talked with on the dock do try to make less wake as they pass a sailboat.

This past weekend sailing up the Delaware Bay and River after a very enjoyable month of lower bay sailing only one power boat out of many and large commercial vessels produced a wake that was close to being just a bit more than unpleasant. Wakes are just practice for the short period disturbed waters over the lower bay flats.



This was off the Salem Nuclear plant, a large power boat producing a wake that left a swell for some time with crest to crest of about 3 boat lengths (my boat is 20ft) and trough to crest well over 8ft.

I saw it coming at rode it out,

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