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zz4gta's advice is sound, except please don't ever use Sta-Set for halyards.....
does that apply to sta-set x as well?

I am currently looking at cajun rope in Nova Scotia since they are much less $$ than most other people. But i dont really know, based on their info, how their rope would compare to some of the rope you recommended.

If you have some insight on cajun ropes, I would love to know before i commit to buying from them.
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I'd hate to break it to you, but many cruisers are just as caring about sail shape as racers for different reasons. Being able to get the sail shape right can often mean the difference between making a port before nightfall or not...
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Cajun's ropes are pretty well regarding through the sailing community AFAICT. IF you can get a spectra/dyneema-core line, instead of StaSetX, which is a polyester parallel core line, you'll have better stretch characteristics, greater strength and less weight aloft. In fact, you can often get away with going down a line size with spectra cored lines, which can help in terms of price.

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does that apply to sta-set x as well?

I am currently looking at cajun rope in Nova Scotia since they are much less $$ than most other people. But i dont really know, based on their info, how their rope would compare to some of the rope you recommended.

If you have some insight on cajun ropes, I would love to know before i commit to buying from them.
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I'd hate to break it to you, but many cruisers are just as caring about sail shape as racers for different reasons. Being able to get the sail shape right can often mean the difference between making a port before nightfall or not...
SD, I'm sure there are a lot of cruisers that care a lot about sail shape. However, I haven't met many of them. Seems like most are worried more about the beverage or lunch, and if it's getting dark, they motor in.

And I unfortunately group "day sailors" in with cruisers which isn't correct. Self proclaimed "cruisers" where I sail, have never left the state, don't sail at night, or in anything over 15kts. To me, these people enjoy boating, but not sailing. I have a lot of respect for real cruisers, slip of the tongue on my part. Sorry.
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When I did the delivery back in the spring, one of my friends called and asked about our progress, because we had been moving at a pretty good speed...he asked if we were motoring. Funny thing is that we had actually been under sail for that whole section, since we had good wind and knew we didn't have enough fuel to make it motoring....we sailed over 20 hours without ever firing up the iron genny... We did fire up the engine when the wind died off, partially to keep up our progress, and partially to power the watermaker, since we wanted to re-fill the water tanks.

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SD, I'm sure there are a lot of cruisers that care a lot about sail shape. However, I haven't met many of them. Seems like most are worried more about the beverage or lunch, and if it's getting dark, they motor in.

And I unfortunately group "day sailors" in with cruisers which isn't correct. Self proclaimed "cruisers" where I sail, have never left the state, don't sail at night, or in anything over 15kts. To me, these people enjoy boating, but not sailing. I have a lot of respect for real cruisers, slip of the tongue on my part. Sorry.
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Kiltmadoc - Sailingdog has an excellent response in regard to Sta-Set X. Because its polyester core is not as strong as Warpspeed's SK-75's fibers, there are many more fibers needed and so a given diameter of Warpspeed is stronger, as well as more supple - It's this ease of handling that really sets Warpspeed apart, in my estimation: It's just a pleasure to use. There are many competitive ropes to Warpspeed and I mention it because it's relatively affordable, amazingly tough and easy to handle. Sta-Set is an entirely different rope to Sta-Set X and the X is made for halyards and not advisable for sheets, as it's not very supple and the tight inner core easily retains twist (Use butterfly coils when handling it - Actually, use butterfly coils everywhere - You'll be amazed at the many advantages.).


We're straying from the topic a bit but while cruising, I've met a few genuinely skilled performance sailors and almost everyone else claims they are, regardless of skill or inclination: Sailing skills in general are quite low and education has shifted subtly to rules from seamanship. I'm similarly, slightly cursed with my rigging movie because very few will admit to a need for the knowledge in it but once seen, everyone raves about how much they've learned and enjoyed it. The best sailors I've sailed with have been open-minded and wanted to learn from me, regardless of their vastly deeper knowledge. I think that's how they have gained it and sadly, have found them to be a small minority.
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SO, the folks over at Cajun rope were kind enough to give me the data on their XLE rope for use in a halyard.

Here's the chart from their rope maker: http://www.novabraid.com/pdfs/P20118-XLE-Performer.pdf

Can someone please tell me if I am reading it right? From what I can see, it stretches almost 7% at a 30% load. That seems more like good dynamic climbing rope than halyard rope to me......
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It comes down to money

I have to spring for 3 new haylards pretty soon and even at Cajun its going to cost about 3X more to go from basic to spectra core

Your sail material comes into play some what as my mylar 150 is sure much more stable than the dacron one was

I still think creep is the bigger issue as we use T900 and it takes a good bit of windup BUT after that it pretty much set in stone it is hard to spend ove a 1000 dollars when 350 might work fine
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Kiltmadoc - You're correct. Unless they're off by a decimal, that line's ten times stretchier than their competition and not suitable for halyards.

Tommays - Good point. There are some memory issues with these lines that are either frustrating or fascinating, depending on your viewpoint. For that reason, I don't recommend using them as standing rigging. It's a large subject I don't have time to talk about here, that is more suited to dinghy racing.
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....As I have probably mentioned elsewhere here, I strongly suggest you use (1) Use sheaves with bearings. ....
.......remove the clevis pins and replace your sheaves with smaller diameter sheaves that nevertheless are the correct size. ..... Garhauer has inexpensive, super-quality sheaves I use frequently.
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I looked up Garhauer, and they have a sheave with 1/2 inch bore, my current sheave is 7/16. Will that make a difference? Garhauer appeals since it's not an arm and a leg for the sheave.
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