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I hate zero-tolerance rules. They might as well be called zero-common sense rules. It's even crossing over to the military. In Iraq, on military flights, TSA rules apply. Flying in a C-130 from base to base you have to listen to the whole spiel about no knives allowed, no lighters, etc. Meanwhile, almost everyone is carrying a fully automatic weapon, and a couple hundred rounds of ammunition. Not to mention the multiple knives that EVERYONE is carrying. At Bagram in Afghanistan, they came into the waiting area asking,"Whose bag is this?" It happened to be full of live grenades, you're supposed to carry those with you in the passenger compartment, not put them into a baggage pallet.
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It always amused me to hear stories about them confiscating bottles of "liquids" and box cutters and pocket knives from fully armed Marines... STUPID... Like a Marine would hijack a plane using a pocket knife, when he's carrying a M16???

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I hate zero-tolerance rules. They might as well be called zero-common sense rules. It's even crossing over to the military. In Iraq, on military flights, TSA rules apply. Flying in a C-130 from base to base you have to listen to the whole spiel about no knives allowed, no lighters, etc. Meanwhile, almost everyone is carrying a fully automatic weapon, and a couple hundred rounds of ammunition. Not to mention the multiple knives that EVERYONE is carrying. At Bagram in Afghanistan, they came into the waiting area asking,"Whose bag is this?" It happened to be full of live grenades, you're supposed to carry those with you in the passenger compartment, not put them into a baggage pallet.
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My lost M16

First of all, to answer the original post...it is illegal to import even one Cuban cigar (or anything else from Cuba from what I understand) into the United States. Secondly, the smartest thing you can do is not to try to hide anything. Some things that are legal in one country may not be in another (Afrin for example).

I was an "Independent Duty Medical Technician" in the USAF (Navy IDC, Army 18D equivalent). Sometime after 9-11, I received temporary orders to Germany to help process troops on their way to Bosnian peace-keeping missions. The person processing the orders looked on an outdated list and put in the orders that I needed to carry a weapon. When I complained about this, someone else looked at an even older list that stated I not only needed to carry a weapon, but also ammunition. So I was issued an M16 (full auto capability) and a full compliment of ammunition. I felt sure I was going to have no end of problems boarding my civilian flight from California to Atlanta. I walked into the airport expecting to be face down on the floor within seconds. To my surprise, I encountered no problems and the M16 and ammo boarded with the regular luggage. But, when I tried to transfer to the US Military Contracted flight in Atlanta, I was told I could not board with the ammunition, only the M16. So, I took the ammunition to the Airport Police, who had no sense of humor. They were shocked I had been walking around the secured portion of their airport with a fully automatic weapon and enough ammo to start my own war. Anyway, they did allow me to turn in the ammo. Free of the ammo, I was now allowed to board the flight. When I arrived in Germany, I discovered my luggage was lost...including the M16. I filled all the proper reports and called each base/post the flight stopped at for the next few months of my temporary assignment, but never located the M16. When I got back to California and was asked to turn in the weapon, all I had was the receipt from the ticket agent in Atlanta. Although I secretly saw much humor (mostly because I had pointed out I really shouldn't have had to take the M16 in the first place), the armory personnel saw none.

The plot thickens. About six months later, I got temporary orders to Iraq. The orders stated I needed to take a weapon (but no ammo). So, I went to the armory to check one out. The armory people now saw much humor in the fact I already had an M16 checked out so they could NOT issue me another one; me, not so much humor in this. So, out of the group of doctors, nurses, and other medical personnel; I was the only one not allowed to be armed. But, I was the one lone IDMT...the person MOST likely to be sent off-base, deployed forward, and need to be armed. And yes, I did go off-base several times and had no end of trouble getting an M16 and 9mm each time.

A couple months after I got back, the M16 did turn up. Apparently, it had stayed on the airplane in Germany and the US Army had been using it in Iraq for over a year. Armory personnel were almost rolling on the floor with laughter when they told me I'd have to come down and clean a years worth of sand and rust from the M16...I was not entertained.

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I'm guilty of hijacking this thread

Several months after the US became involved with assisting the peacekeeping missions in Bosnia, a group of us were trying to return to our home-base in England. We were an Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC) unit that had been providing Combat Search and Rescue coverage and were used to flying on our own C-130s. Anyway, we were NOT flying on an AFSOC bird on the way home this time. We were most of the way home when it was discovered all runways in England were "fogged in" and we then diverted to Germany. As the layover would be greater than 12-hours, we de-planed. Since none of the group was flying as "crew," we were directed through the airport and through a metal detector. Maybe it's just me, but sending a group of Special Forces people though metal detectors (in general) is likely to cause problems. Sure enough, the first person set the thing off like there was no tomorrow. Airport security asked if he had any weapons. Out came three large knives. While they were dealing with him, they called the next guy forward. Again, the machine went crazy. "Sir, do you have any weapons on you?" One small pocket knife, one large 10" bladed knife, and a small hatchet appeared. I started seeing a problem and tried working my way backwards through the crowd...I had a boot-knife and a serrated pocket-knife...and I was the "Medic" and less armed than most. Luckily, our Commander saw what was happening and came forward. He identified himself to the customs/airport security personnel and said he would vouch for each and every man and woman there. Security was hesitant at first. Our Commander then said, "What do you think we're going to do, hijack an airplane? If we did, where do you think we'd fly it to? Home to England, where we can't land because it's socked in? And, it probably wouldn't be wise to send us through the metal detectors when we go to board the airplane tomorrow morning either." The security guys, seeing the logic in this, stopped the search. Each person set the metal detectors off in a big way as we were let through. The next morning, Security just smiled, waved us goodbye, and let us through...all the while the metal detectors blared their alarms on each one of us.

Morale of the story: If you want to make sure nobody hijacks your plane, put troops on it that are returning home to the destination. As an added bonus, you don't even need to search the troops; just trust that they'll take care of any hijackers trying to divert the landing or delay the deboarding.

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J36ZT inadvertently makes a point that is far too easy to forget in these here United States. If the American citizen had been allowed to carry firearms or other weapons on board airplanes it's likely that 9/11 would either have never happened as it did or with far different results. One thing is certain; those people wouldn't have gone to the slaughter like livestock.

Our government promised to protect us, in return for the surrendering of some of our fundamental rights, so we could ride an airplane in safety. Oddly, I somehow trust the gun owners of America more than I do the government bureaucrats currently entrusted with the responsibility of ensuring my safety.
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