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Okay how many of you celebrated Christmas offshore and how did Santa land his sled and Reindeer on your boat? Especially in force ten winds?

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If you've not read about this lady's knockdown off Cape Horn, you need to...

Sailing Yacht Nereida - Days 72/73 Knockdown 1930Z Wed while hove-to.... some damage but mast still s

Seriously tough chick.

Also, she's apparently using a series drogue - but it's not clear if she was using it during the knockdown. Brings up some interesting questions:

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By midday, with occasional waves hitting us and washing the decks, I was beginning to feel decidedly concerned, with the wind back up to 35-37kt, forecast to increase, and big seas to match, we hove to with triple-reefed mains'l and stays'l. Changed the running backstay over and centred the mains'l kies, some rain. We were well heeled, and there were plenty of big seas...and suddenly, near 2.30pm, while I was fortunately leaning against a wall in the head, all hell let loose - and everything that could move was re-located to a starboard side of the cabin.... Water was pouring in from under the sliding hatch and there was chaos everywhere.

Slowly we righted and soon after I looked to see what damage there was - clearly there was some - no instruments, for a start!.. but I could not budge the hatch to open it - try as might...! I had to climb out of the aft cabin hatch to access the cockpit - which I'd already seen enough of to realize the boom was broken in half and the canopy/dodger over the companionway was missing, along with its framework ..... there was safety glass everywhere. I soon realized why the hatch wouldn't slide open - the halyard bag full of heavy wet lines, was lying on top and was soon removed along with several lines lying loose... Going down below, I noticed the perspex hatch was cracked in half vertically - a worry if we should ever get pooped. Next, I got the instruments working - a connection in the aft cabin had been hit by flying/sliding objects...
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In brief, I didn't know where to start... Tried to clear up a bit on deck - not much I could achieve there... down below - impossible to clear up wet things ( all pillows and bedding were sopping wet at their end.. still beam on to oncoming seas... not good ... another knockdown imminent??- I tried eveything I could to get us to head downwind... a bit of genoa plus some stays'l... downed the remaining main as much as I could.. tried to tie it but that got dangerous in the big seas running, so was forced to abandon that... Later decided to reduce all sail since series drogue shouldn't need any - furling line on stays'l broke - sail unfurled totally and flappes madly and violently - whole boatvshook with bthe violence... not good ... what to do? Had to lower it - and keep it inboard and low and together in the strong wind, not easy... As it flapped, it caught the pole and broke it in half .. Things were going from bad to worse...!
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Also, she's apparently using a series drogue - but it's not clear if she was using it during the knockdown. Brings up some interesting questions:
Sounds like she's got things more or less under control now.

I guess my first question is, did she have the series drogue paid out while hove-to? I can see that throwing off the balance and placing her beam-on to the seas.

My second question is, on what tack was she hove-to? Her stuff all ended up on the starboard side of the boat so I guess the wave came from port. Assuming she hove-to so as to head away from the coast, that would put her on the starboard tack (NW'ly wind, coast to the east), which means the breaking wave came from the "wrong" side, which could knock down any boat regardless of what heavy-weather tactic you're using. If, on the other hand, she was on the port tack all along, something must have gone wrong, with her boat falling off the wind from the hove-to position.

It's too bad about her boom. Hopefully she will be able to jury-rig something. I guess that makes a case for using a trysail instead of a triple-reefed main.
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Her boat, while a sturdy and respected vessel, appears to have a fin keel and center cockpit. I'm sure others will disagree, but I would not go to sea in a fin keel, center cockpit boat.
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Her boat, while a sturdy and respected vessel, appears to have a fin keel and center cockpit. I'm sure others will disagree, but I would not go to sea in a fin keel, center cockpit boat.
Is it the fin keel or the center cockpit that scares you? Or a combination of them? I can't see the detrimental relationship.

I have always held the view that any form of drogue requires some forward movement to be effective. Having the boat going downwind at a speed that prevents surfing (thus preventing a pitch-pole) means that the worst that can happen is being pooped which (especially on a center cockpit vessel) beats the heck out of a knock-down or worse, a potential roll-over. Unless of course you're headed for a lee shore?

So running off the wind, maybe under bare poles or in her case with storm sail/s (sorry, I haven't read the report but this vessel appears to have been in winds that only really start to constitute a gale, hardly storm conditions) to keep some way on (2, maybe 3 knots), is what makes the drogue work to your advantage. The sailor here decided to reduce sail, believing that the series drogue worked better when making no way.

Interesting.
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Is it the fin keel or the center cockpit that scares you? Or a combination of them? I can't see the detrimental relationship.
Interesting.
How about both? Center cockpit boats are typically wetter boats. However for safety and control in heavy seas, the fin keel would worry me more than getting wet. We've run Paloma bare poles, no drogues, no engine, no nada, before a Force 10 storm for 36 hours and while we were mega-worried and tired, we were never in a real bind and sailed through another, triple reefed and post stamp headsial - but she's got an aft cockpit with has a cutaway forefoot and skeg hung rudder - we can and do take her anywhere in any weather.
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Center cockpit boats are typically wetter boats.
Could you explain why? The cockpits are generally higher on center cockpits so I was thinking they would be drier. Of course one of their disadvantages is windage.
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Could you explain why? The cockpits are generally higher on center cockpits so I was thinking they would be drier. Of course one of their disadvantages is windage.
If you've had constant spray from beating through waves hammer you in an aft cockpit boat, move the target forward 15' or so.

It's higher yes, but closer to the splashing.

On the other hand, I've always heard that it's far harder to get pooped. Of course, since it's usually a far shallower space, if you do get your stern washed, you'd probably need to hang on a bit tighter.
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