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We have had two negatives with our anchor buoy. The first time, we had the anchor buoy catch under our keel and hold the boat on very short scope in high wind. We ended up dragging the anchor some as a result. The second time, a trawler caught their rudder on our anchor buoy and dragged us at 7kts through the anchorage. We let them keep the buoy.
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another solution ??

Thanks for all of the tips, we lost an anchor last summer in a powerboat.. no way that thing was coming up..
Afterward, someone told me about an "idea" where you have a decent sized buoy on a shackle of some sort, and if you get stuck you put the rode through the shackle and toss the buoy overboard and then do something.. That's the trouble, i can't remember what you do to get the anchor up.. and i'm having trouble visualizing what in the world the buoy would do..

Have any of y'all heard of this "idea", and if so, what's the last step ?? and does it work..

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Thanks for all of the tips, we lost an anchor last summer in a powerboat.. no way that thing was coming up..
Afterward, someone told me about an "idea" where you have a decent sized buoy on a shackle of some sort, and if you get stuck you put the rode through the shackle and toss the buoy overboard and then do something.. That's the trouble, i can't remember what you do to get the anchor up.. and i'm having trouble visualizing what in the world the buoy would do..

Have any of y'all heard of this "idea", and if so, what's the last step ?? and does it work..

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I've seen a device like you're describing in a magazine or a marine store (maybe west marine) but I've not seen one in use.

here's one:

https://www.savvyboater.com/p-42-anc...retriever.aspx
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bruce anchor

rayncyn51 a bruce anchor has a hole in the shank by the claws. put a shackle in the hole to attach the trip line. i use that with a float when anchoring in rocky bottoms. the line will pull the anchor out backwards to free it.
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Exactly erps, but did you notice in the description :

The Anchor Ring anchor puller floats the anchor to the surface using the forward motion of the boat. Once at the surface the chain counterbalances the anchor to allow you to easily haul the anchor into the boat. Once you have used the Anchor Ring, you will never want to go back to hauling the anchor by hand again

Is still missing how the heck it works..
OK assume you clip it on the rode and try and drive away from the anchor, the buoy just flounders around between the bow and the waterline..
to "lift the anchor off the bottom" it would have to go 30 feet down and lift the anchor off the bottom...
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the buoy does two jobs.
1. If the buoy line is the correct length with the tidal height added in, it will mark about where your anchor is at and reasonbly smart people won't plant their anchor over the top of your anchor rode.
2. If the buoy line is strong enough, it can be used to haul your anchor back out of the bottom.
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I'm convinced there are only two ways to keep people away from a buoy. One, is to use an inflatable or dummy horn mine. Even jetskiers are bright enough to know it might blow up, although they might try to take it home anyway.

The other would be to use a white buoy and just mark it "DANGER - MINE" and explain that as meaning it is MINE and I'm cranky about people touching it.

Or maybe stop down by Mines-R-Us and post the video on YouTube afterwards? (G)
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My guess, looking at the buoy/ring thing in erps' link, is that the idea is to get the ring as close to the anchor itself as possible.

Say you have a 25 lb anchor and, I dunno, 100 feet of chain at (I'm making numbers up) 1 lb/ft. You take the bitter end of the chain, stick it through the ring, and -- gulp -- drop it overboard. Not mentioned, but I expect it would have to go into a bag or something.

Suppose the anchor is fouled in 20 ft of water. You keep pulling the chain through the ring and into the bag and eventually you have 80 feet of "bitter end" on one side of the ring in a bag, which weighs 80 lbs, and 20 ft plus a 25 lb anchor on the other end. The 80 lb bag is now a counterweight that, along with the buoyancy of the ring buoy, is sufficient to lift the 45 lbs of chain and anchor out of whatever it's stuck in. The closer you can get the ring to the anchor, the easier it gets.

What your anchorless boat is supposed to be doing at this time is not clear to me.
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With that method, your bow is still lifting the weight of the chain and the stuck anchor. And the forces and directions are all still the same. I don't see any benefit in it.

If I wasn't set up with a trip line, I might use a bouy and line to mark where the anchor is, so I (or a diver like erps) could go back and get it.

Maybe we should add this to the how-to-make-money-while-cruising thread. Retrieving stuck anchors and selling old anchors that you find.

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My guess, looking at the buoy/ring thing in erps' link, is that the idea is to get the ring as close to the anchor itself as possible.

Say you have a 25 lb anchor and, I dunno, 100 feet of chain at (I'm making numbers up) 1 lb/ft. You take the bitter end of the chain, stick it through the ring, and -- gulp -- drop it overboard. Not mentioned, but I expect it would have to go into a bag or something.

Suppose the anchor is fouled in 20 ft of water. You keep pulling the chain through the ring and into the bag and eventually you have 80 feet of "bitter end" on one side of the ring in a bag, which weighs 80 lbs, and 20 ft plus a 25 lb anchor on the other end. The 80 lb bag is now a counterweight that, along with the buoyancy of the ring buoy, is sufficient to lift the 45 lbs of chain and anchor out of whatever it's stuck in. The closer you can get the ring to the anchor, the easier it gets.

What your anchorless boat is supposed to be doing at this time is not clear to me.
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