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In the drawing (not sure about in reality) I don't think he was the burdened vessel, as it was not a crossing situtation. It was a meeting (forget proper term) situation, where both boats are expected to let the other pass on his/ her port side, as they did. Is this not correct. I guess sometimes a meeting situation can turn into a crossing situation, if one/ both alter course because of wind changes, or lack of ability to continue on present course, but that doesn't look like the case here.
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I agree. But the way I judged it he did not have to alter his course.
We would have cleared by 30'.

So I guess the real question is in a non-race situation how close is OK?
Too close is when risk of collision exists. Is there risk of collision when you have a 30' CPA; especially considering that you have no way of reliably determining the relative rates of leeway of the two vessels? Without a doubt, in my opinion.

You should have fallen off.

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I agree. But the way I judged it he did not have to alter his course.
We would have cleared by 30'.

So I guess the real question is in a non-race situation how close is OK?
David - I agree with the "real question", have asked it of myself many times and don't know the answer!!!
Paul

On second thought, it doesn't matter if it's a racing or non-racing situation. It only matters if my Wife is aboard, or not!!!

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Again, in the absence of mitigating weather, tide and current factors, I can't give an informed opinion. Ten knots of breeze and no current would elicit a different answer than 25 knots and an opposing tidal flow. A thirty-foot gap (a "standard boat length") is reasonable in one instance, and about five lengths too close in the other.
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The difficulty is although the downwind boat is described as burdened, it is the only one with a boom and described as sailing. The other has a mast but no boom and could very well be motoring as I took it. In which case he should turn to stb not port unless he was well clear.
In racing where one is reasonably sure both skippers are up with the play, one might well be fairly aggressive, in other situations this is far from certain indeed unlikely I am becoming more conservative. It only needs one to become distracted and lurch off course, and even cut across your bows seemingly without seeing you, to learn to assume nothing.
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;lots of reasonable and prudent choices posted here. My favorite and my action would probably be the plan described by RichH. 'take care an joy, Aythya crew
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The difficulty is although the downwind boat is described as burdened, it is the only one with a boom and described as sailing. The other has a mast but no boom and could very well be motoring as I took it. In which case he should turn to stb not port unless he was well clear...
Leeward over windward doesn't come into play here. The first priority in rule 12 is that a sailing vessel on a port tack has to keep out of the way of a sailing vessel on a starboard tack. The OP is the give way vessel.
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You should have fallen off.

I could not fall off as the break-wall was downwind.
My choices were to tack in front of him or turn 180 degrees.

Slowing down might have helped but not much.
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The difficulty is although the downwind boat is described as burdened, it is the only one with a boom and described as sailing. The other has a mast but no boom and could very well be motoring as I took it. In which case he should turn to stb not port unless he was well clear.
Both boats were sailing.
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I could not fall off as the break-wall was downwind.
My choices were to tack in front of him or turn 180 degrees.

Slowing down might have helped but not much.
I'm confused by the sketch you provided, then. You said that the other vessel came to port (toward the breakwall) while in the sketch it appears that you had more room in that direction than she did.
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