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SteveInMD 08-20-2009 09:45 PM

Rules?
 
I recently got a warning for having people outside of the lifelines / railing of a boat while in motion. The person was safely seated on the back of a bench seat near the transom. There feet were actually on the deck which extends well behind the rail. They had secure handholds all around them. Common sense says to me they were in no danger what so ever. Did I break any laws or was this cop off-base here?

I said very little and didn't ask any questions since I was getting a warning and not the $320 ticket.

k1vsk 08-20-2009 09:49 PM

Guess this cop never saw a sailboat race

souljour2000 08-20-2009 10:01 PM

Where do you sail?...here in Sarasota bay..they can only afford one or two watercops on the weekends...or thurs-Sunday....Longboat key has a boat or two in the water every day..and the Sarasota County Fire has one in the water every day but at the dock I think..not patrolling. You just dont see the water police here very much anymore...i'ts okay by me ..I try to sail where there is nobody much around anyway....but there are alot of situations that can happen and lots of weekend boaters tying one on all the day at the sand bars....then they motor home...

tap 08-20-2009 10:26 PM

If you have one lifeline, the racing rules allow you to put your legs under it and outside the boat but your upper body must be inside. If you have two lifelines made of wire, then you can put your torso under the upper lifeline. If there's something you need to do, like free a line, you can be anywhere you need to when you do. Hanging from your ankles off the side of a boat on it's ear to cut a line wrapped on the keel would be ok.

But that's when racing. When not racing I haven't heard of any rules about where you can be, other than "teak surfing", which is being dragged behind a boat while hanging on to the swim platform. Not sure if that one even applies to sail boats not under power, since it's the prop and the exhaust that cause the danger. But local town councils LOVE to make up laws. Maybe someone, probably a child, got hurt on or near a boat. So now the politicos have to make some law so they can act like they're doing something. Think of the children! You must pass my law! The law itself is nearly irrelevant. Just pick some minority, like boaters, and create some regulation that will only bother that minority. So you get some local law that no one may be past the railing or lifeline in any way.

redcobra 08-20-2009 10:58 PM

What?
Never heard of any such law in MD. What kind of police was it? Were you in the Annapolis Harbor area? Or in the Bay.

RichH 08-20-2009 11:11 PM

Let me guess .... you got stopped by the 'raging Annapolis water nazis'.

Annapolis and the far surrounding area has become a nasty place for these **legal thugs** to prey upon any boat at any time and for very obviously absolutely nothing more than to make a 'pinch'. Im sure that you had to show the 'officer' that you had 'whistles firmly attached to your pfd', and other inane and little known statutes of the Maryland boating laws, etc.

Unless the Chesapeake boating community vehemently responds to this obvious and escalating 'aggressive revenue income opportunity', scream bloody murder by writing formal protestations, etc. etc. .... we all will continue to become 'a prey species'. I especially avoid Annapolis harbor and have written to many of the businesses there that I **used to** patronize stating that I will not return until they 'control the overt legal thuggery that is occurring there' by the MD STATE marine police.
:-)

sailortjk1 08-20-2009 11:16 PM

Don't know what to say. Live and learn I guess.
I have never heard of anyone getting written up for such in our area.
I would not think it would be a violation or maybe its just not enforced around here.

redcobra 08-20-2009 11:42 PM

Anyone know what the law actually says? I am not sure where to look it up.

bheintz 08-21-2009 07:12 AM

From STATE OF MARYLAND State-Specific Boating Safety Requirements
SL 12. Reckless and Careless Operation
Negligence or gross negligence in operation of a vessel resulting in the endangerment of lives
and/or property is prohibited. A civil penalty may be imposed by the USCG for this offense.
Violators may be subject to a fine of up to $5,000 and or imprisonment for up to one year, or
both. In the State of Maryland, the penalty is a fine of up to $500 for the first offense.
Examples of actions that may constitute negligent or grossly negligent operation include, but
are not limited to:
1. Operating in an area designated for swimming only.
2. Operating under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
3. Operating the vessel at excessive speed near other boats or in dangerous waters.
4. Dangerous water skiing practices.
5. Bowriding or riding on seatbacks, the gunwale or transom.
I think this law was passed in the 70's after a boating accident.

SteveInMD 08-21-2009 07:54 AM

Those rules make sense to me, except number 5. I was clearly in violation of this poorly written rule. Think of all of the small sailboats out the designed so you sit on gunwale to sail it. The seat backs of the cockpit in my sailboat is a perfectly safe place to sit. This just leaves the door open for cops to enforce the rule whenever they feel like it and you never know if you are in violation or not. I can understand the bow riding part, but the transom bit makes no sense to me. If you fell in off the transom you would certainly get wet, but I can't imagine it could hurt anyone.


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