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matt - thanks for the additional info. Do you think that the helicopter strap will have to be re-thought? I assume they trained with it previously?
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Tempest: when tossing the ring, I think I would hold onto the line in case my throw was crappy, as was the one in the video. It landed pretty far from the MOB, and downwind at that. Presumably he could pull the ring back and toss again instead of just losing it. If he got it close to and downwind of the MOB, he could just drop the line.
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After watching this video at least a dozen times I searched and found some other vids of them sailing and getting things organized before the race. I'll only say this, I've never been offshore, and there is no way I'd go sailing in an ocean with that group. Did not get the warm fuzzy feeling at all.

This group looked like sailors going on a friendly cruise, not an ocean race.
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Of course, recovering an MOB differs a lot depending on what boat you're on. Once you've gotten the MOB along side the boat, you now have the problem of getting them back aboard. A boat with relatively low freeboard has far more options than a boat with high freeboard. Transom swim platforms can be useful, but if there is any kind of sea, the transom becomes a danger to anyone in the water...so it isn't always a good option.
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Tempest -
For the lifesling the idea is that you use the line to make a circle around the COB and then pull it in and the floatation collar will come to him and he can then be brought to the boat. So in case of a lifesling I would pull it back and throw it again. If they don't have a lifesling, then they may have been using the horseshoe for that purpose. If you throw the whole line in, then you have no way to retrieve the COB unless the boat gets really close, which is very hard and adds the danger of the boat itself injuring the COB. Just adding another piece of floatation to the ones I would have thrown in the water is not much help, especially since a piece of floatation more than a couple of yards from the COB may be impossible for him to get to.
By the way, this is one of those times that I think having a sugar scoop transom is a big benefit, because you can get a COB back aboard with essentially no lifting (though if seas are rough, the transom goes up and down a lot and you still have to be very careful).
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smackdaddy - the helicopter strap is supposedly being reconsidered, but no changes have been made as of yet. On my boat, we've purchased a John Buoy which is like a 1 man life raft with lifting straps on it. It attaches on the back of the boat and you pull a lever which ejects it over the stern and it's supposed to inflate automatically. I think it increases the odds of recovery tremendously, especially in night conditions under spinnaker (which is my nightmare scenario).

To sailingdog's point, getting the victim back on board these boats is a real challenge. I won't go near the transom in even the slightest chop - you'll be knocked out cold.

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Great thread.

If this is too far off the subject, I'll be glad to repost it in its own.

I mostly single hand. I wear a harness almost all the time when I'm out alone and stay hooked onto my jackline when not below. I know the key is to not go over to begin with. But I have wondered what I'd do if:
1. I went over and was being drug alongside, still hooked in.
2. How I'd ever get back on board.

1. If I were on the lee side, and there was much heel, there would be little free board and I could possibly grab something and pull myself back up on board. If I were on the high side, I guess I'd just release the tether at my harness and swim for?

2. If there was any kind of sea, I know how dangerous the stern can be. But if it's the only way back aboard, I think I'd rather take my chances. To enable this, I have considered installing some kind of quick release to the stern ladder so that I could lower it from the water.

Any advice for these or other strategies?
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Hey harbin - it's not off topic at all, and even if it was - no worries. Do you have a quick release on your tether? If you're being dragged alongside and have enough play in your tether to have your head under - from everything I've read, your done for unless you can release. Too much water pressure to do anything.

But then, if you do release and you're boat is sailing fast enough to apply the above pressure - it seems your boat will be long gone. 4-6 knots is pretty damn fast.

My take is that if you go overboard singlehanding - unless there's someone around to help you out, you're done.

There are salts on here FAR, FAR more qualified to answer this. For example, take a look at the link JRP provided in another thread. Sobering stuff. So stay on the boat!

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Also, since we are off on this MOB recovery tangent anyway, I meant to post a link to the Lifesling Case Studies. This is very instructive reading if you haven't seen it yet.
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harbin: how are you steering? If you're doing it manually then trim for a bit of weather helm so that the boat will heave-to when you drop the tiller. Of course, you're more worried about going overboard when you're working on the foredeck than when you're in the cockpit.

There needs to be some way to disengage autopilot/windvane steering when singlehanders go overboard.
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I do have a quick release on my tether. I'd expect pulling it from under the water would be a little different than pulling it standing in the cockpit. NO, going over doesn't leave a lot of options.
I do have an autohelm. I guess minimizing its use and keeping some weather helm isn't a bad strategy but, like Adam says, it is usually when you are forward that the risk is highest (and the autohelm is always on then). I like the idea of a trip device for the autohelm. They have them on jet skis. I don't know that it matters whether you're swimming after a sailboat doing 6 knots or a jet ski doing 40.
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