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Broad reach to broad reach is most definitely a course change. There's no question.

There are two ways of going from one broad reach to another...the easiest in most situations is to gybe, the other is to head up and tack and then fall off to a broad reach on the other tack.

You explained your intent. Your crew member was way out of line. Going ballistic??? He'd never step foot on my boat again :-)

I would love to see this character try to bring the boom over to starboard while broad reaching in 15 knots...without changing course...it ain't going to happen.

So, while on a broad reach the command is " prepare to gybe" The helmsman then begins to turn downwind to a run while he or the crew member centers the boom. Once the boom is centered you pass the stern through the wind ( gybe-ho ) and quickly let the boom out on the new tack. The jib comes over ( with crew assist) and you're off on your new course... of course, the stronger the wind the trickier the maneuver.

Maybe your crew member doesn't know the difference between a broad reach and a run. In either case...your boat, your rules.

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So this past weekend with the boat on a broad reach starboard tack I wanted to put the boat on a broad reach port tack.

I (as skipper and helm) explained to my crew what I intended to do, saying I wanted to put us on a broad reach port tack, so let's gybe.

One crew member went...ballistic, saying I'm not using the term correctly, that gybing does not involve a course change, only bringing the boom over to the other side without changing course.

Your thoughts? This led to quite a distracting argument.
Toss the mutinous miscreant over board.
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In defense of the crew member he did disagree (albeit very vociferously) after executing the manoeuver. We then spent something like 20 minutes "debating" it, mostly with nobody including myself able to get a word in edgewise.

It seems like there's a definite consensus here so far. Thank you all for confirming my thoughts.

I do think it's a good point puddinlegs and jaschrumpf make. From now on there's a new rule on my boat, these debates are reserved for shore. I don't mind people asking why I want something but disagreeing with the skipper in front of crew and guests is not good for anyone.

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zAr, interestingly enough, I've only ever disagreed with a boat owner/skipper a couple of times that I've said anything, and only once that we had to be adamant. It was a 23' boat on typical SF Bay summer day across the slot sailing back to the city from Angel Island. A tug towing a barge was converging with us, and the owner thought it wasn't. There were two of us on the boat who were much more experienced and in complete agreement with the danger we were sailing into. We both said in simple terms, turn away and let the tug pass clear ahead, or we'll take the tiller from you. It was pretty bad. Matter of fact, it was the last time either of us set foot on the boat.

In your case, your guest was out of line. On top of that, you were right.

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We both said in simple terms, turn away and let the tug pass clear ahead, or we'll take the tiller from you. It was pretty bad. Matter of fact, it was the last time either of us set foot on the boat.
AARRR!! Ye mutinous scallywags.

Seriously, that must have made for a very uncomfortable situation. What would you have done had the other crew member not backed you up in what you felt strongly was a very dangerous situation?

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Matter of fact, it was the last time either of us set foot on the boat.
If you hadn't intervened, it may have been the last time any of the three of you set foot on the boat.
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AARRR!! Ye mutinous scallywags.

Seriously, that must have made for a very uncomfortable situation. What would you have done had the other crew member not backed you up in what you felt strongly was a very dangerous situation?

The same thing. Living is a much better option.
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The skipper is the skipper Right?

I don't think it matters what you call it, " call it a swing or a boul movement for that matter" the skipper runs the boat and just gitter done.
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Hand the Mutinous crewman a tooth brush and tell him to scrub the keel.
As he's being hauled across it!
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