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Sailing south through Hell Gate, NY

I was trying to figure out what time of day I'd be going with currents sailing south through Hell Gate. If someone with experience in the area could chime in, it would be appreciated. Thanks.
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The time of day would depend on the day. Currents through Hells Gate are not consistent.

Here's a link.

http://www.mobilegeographics.com:81/locations/2495.html

Google is your friend.

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Thanks for the link, I googled a couple different things, but didn't have much luck.
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You will have to look up the time of slack before ebb for that day, and try to be at Hell Gate around then. If you have Eldridge, all the info you need is there.
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We try to set ourself up at the "Gate" every year to take the sleigh ride through their. This year we hit 12.4 SOG, and it was like driving on black ice.

When traveling from the Sound to NJ we time our way to hit the "gate" at the beginnning of the ebb tide at the Battery (high tide). That way current propels us down the East and out NY Bay past Sandy Hook on the oputgoing tide and adds at least 2.5-3 knots to the motoring speed.

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For what it's worth, you also want to think about where you're going from there. That is, are you going to continue south to sandy hook / Atlantic ocean or are you turning north and going up the Hudson. If the later, then you want to make your run down the East River (about 2 hours for us) such that you don't hit the battery at peak ebb. As you can see from the information provided by oceanscapt, you'd be facing a good 3-4 knots of current!

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Would be continuing south to sandy hook. On the southern end do you face an ebb during the opposing times, or does the south end share the same characteristics as the north end? From slack, flood beings through slack, ebb begins, it seems as though I'd have 6 hours to make it through to the southern end going with the current. Can anyone give me an estimate on how long it would take to get through?
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Nasomi, You want to hit the gate at slack..or just as the current turns...this should give you a favorable current all the way out to Sandy Hook..

Chef, @ High water at the Battery..the Hell gate current is still flooding NE @ over 3 kn. The current At the gate turns SW about an hour and a half after high water at the battery....and you can ride it out..up until 1 hour after low water....

It takes me about 2 hours to get from the throgs neck Bridge to the Battery with the current. I figure maybe an hour and change from the gate? so that give you another 3 hours to get to Sandy hook...with a favorable current..
another 15 miles or so..? sound right? ...check my math

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Nasomi, here are some numbers(estimates) that should help (running total in nautical miles). That said, you really need to pull out your charts and plan this all out. Plotting your course through this area really helps. You'll be able to plan each leg, check your distances and calculate your elapsed time.

Whitestone Bridge 0
Triborough Bridge 5.21
Hell Gate 5.7
Just past Roosevelt Island 8.1
Williamsburg Bridge 10.25
Brooklynn Bridge 11.37
Middle of the channel just north of Governors Island 12.93
Verrazano Narows Bridge 18.5
Just off Sandy Hook Point (intersection of chapel hill south channel and sandy hook channel) 26.48

Here is another link that should help: NOAA Tides and Currents - Home
It will give you info for New York Harbor, Sandy Hook, etc.

Hope this helps you get started...

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+1 to Carlos for the link. Don't stress about tides -- look at the current tables.

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