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I use the angle of the cabin top as my guide. I have explained this to my wife as well. She doesn't panic until the wench on the cabin is pointing to the other side of the boat. I have found that my boat is faster and stays in the groove better when I maintain this amount of heel, regardless of the weather.
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Simple answer, when above 20 deg Heel Consistency

When I was young and stupid (4 months ago), I liked to bury the rail and really get her over to get the adrenaline going. When I went out and did a Boyz Only sail, we did this often. Then one day I actually looked at the GPS when we had the rail buried (38 deg) in 25 kts of wind and a lot of weather helm. We were only going 4.5, so that told me the brakes were on (weather helm) and we should probably reduce that. Reefed the main which significantly reduced the weather helm and the boat went fast.

Yesterday I was out with the wife and found that the magic number for reefing is around 20 degrees, which for our boat (Pearson 10M Tall Rig) is about 15 kts apparent wind (closehauled) with a 135 Genny and a Near Racing Roach Mainsail. the boat is relatively new to us.

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I believe anything less than 90 degrees can be considered 'safe'.

My routine goes more like this (rather than angle of heel):

Tiller over 5 degrees weather helm? (actually to be fair I now measure this by feel instead of eyeball)

1) add vang, outhaul, halyard
2) add cunningham
3) move traveller to lee
4) repeat 1-3 as needed until I run out of traveller
5) reef

This used to be around 15 knots, but with the rig tune and new sails it's more like 18+, or maybe I'm just deluding myself...
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It is just fun to bury the rail some times, but it not the fastest point of sail, just fun.
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I believe anything less than 90 degrees can be considered 'safe'.

My routine goes more like this (rather than angle of heel):

Tiller over 5 degrees weather helm? (actually to be fair I now measure this by feel instead of eyeball)

1) add vang, outhaul, halyard
2) add cunningham
3) move traveller to weather
4) repeat 1-3 as needed until I run out of traveller
5) reef
I'm new but, wouldn't you move the traveler to leeward to reduce heel angle?
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I'm new but, wouldn't you move the traveler to leeward to reduce heel angle?
Yup. good catch. edited.
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Yup. good catch. edited.
Whew! Good, I don't need any more confusion in my life.
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20 ° works

I sailed an AMEL 52 from Mexico to Hawaii last spring. Any thing over 20° heal and the boat shuddered badly it was telling us it was time to reef. At that point we were doing 11kts 9 kts was a nice comfy ride and the boat was happy.
We had an average of 5.7 kt for the 3000 kt trip.
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If you truly want to heel no more than the wife is happy with, just hand her the throttle (mainsheet) and teach her how to use it. She can play the main until she's happy, problem solved. I would bet my right arm that you will never get knocked down using this method.
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