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When offshore my standings orders include:

- A visual sweep very 10 minutes.

All standing orders (at night)

- Before altering course, a visual sweep and a radar sweep.
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Scraph, again, I can't agree with that interpretation, because it would render moot the phrase "at all times".

In this rule, "at all times" is categorical, and it refers to maintaining a watch by sight and sound.

The qualifiers that follow are referring to the second part of the requirement, i.e. additional means of keeping a watch.
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Debate the other rules all you like, and while you're at it, you can try to figure out how to explain to King Neptune that YOU were the stand on vessel.

Lawyers belong in courtrooms, I'll happily watch my own arse at sea.
I have had stand-on vessels alter course and put us onto a collision course.

Know and abide by the rules.

Stand-on vessels are required by the rules to avoid collisions.

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RULE 17 R»GLE 17
Action by Stand-on Vessel
(a) (i) Where one of two vessels is to keep out of the way, the other
shall keep her course and speed.
(ii) The latter vessel may however take action to avoid collision
by her manoeuvre alone, as soon as it becomes apparent to her
that the vessel required to keep out of the way is not taking appropriate action in compliance with these Rules.
(b) When, from any cause, the vessel required to keep her course
and speed finds herself so close that collision cannot be avoided
by the action of the give-way vessel alone, she shall take such
action as will best aid to avoid collision.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/C.R.C.,_c._1416.pdf
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Further, if equipped with radar and AIS I don't see a major safety concern with a 45 minute look interval, while short handed. It certainly is better to have thought and reason behind it than to simply shrug and say 'I can take a 2 hour nap, it's only 2 hours'.
What if they are below, as they are on any race boat I have delivered or raced.
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So, I agree that the 'by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions' is its own item.
The rules are inclusive not exclusive. The rule applies in all situations; hence "as well as".
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I have had stand-on vessels alter course and put us onto a collision course.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/C.R.C.,_c._1416.pdf

K... Poor choice of argument on my part... mea culpa

Explain to King Neptune that the rules specified "this or that".... either way, it's a conversation I'd rather not have.

Something big is coming at you, get out of it's way. Period. The more time I have to make my intentions clear, the better. I don't really care what the rule may or may not specifically cover, or the timings involved, I'd rather err on the side of living to tell the tale.
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K... Poor choice of argument on my part... mea culpa

Explain to King Neptune that the rules specified "this or that".... either way, it's a conversation I'd rather not have.

Something big is coming at you, get out of it's way. Period. The more time I have to make my intentions clear, the better. I don't really care what the rule may or may not specifically cover, or the timings involved, I'd rather err on the side of living to tell the tale.
Get on the radio and figure out what their intentions are.
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Get on the radio and figure out what their intentions are.
Sure thing. That is an excellent point. That would be next. I would do that After I make sure my mast isn't sticking out of his hawse pipe at some foreign dock with people asking what it is.

Fortunately I'd be the guy skipping the math class telling me how long I could safely leave the deck vacant.

I don't like telling stories about near misses. Sure, they're fun to read, and it's great sport to dissect the situation, but only when it's someone else's.

Folks climb Everest. Folks circumnavigate solo (and nap along the way I'm sure). Folks jump off of stuff with bedsheets too. I'll just watch thanks, and if you're still tired you can sleep a little longer, just let me get another cup of coffee first.
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Let me giver my perspective.

When I am out at night I contact the appropriate vessel traffic channel to determine what traffic we may encounter. They then know that I am out there too. I am able to watch for oncoming and overtaking traffic.

I do not want to mess with the commercial or fishing guys. So I contact them on the radio, usually the VTS channel. We discuss who is doing what, when. I will usually head over the the other part of the channel.

We monitor the radar (hopefully with MARPA) watching for the CPA.
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I go to sea for a living and I can tell you that on commercial vessels, Rule 5 (as interpreted by USCG, insurance carriers, and various international governing bodies) DOES require a constant visual lookout by a person who is not actually steering the vessel. This is heavily referenced in the STCW course "bridge resource management" not trying to be pedantic, just stating the facts...

As a single/short handed sailor, I also realize that this is simply not practical on all vessels at all times.
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