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jack2 05-08-2011 04:46 PM

Tacking a storm trysail - dutchman reefing
 
What is the process of tacking a storm trysail if the boat has dutchman reefing, do those lines get in the way?

paulk 05-09-2011 08:12 PM

If it's blowing hard enough to need the storm trysail, the dutchman lines have probably blown off. If they do foul the trysail, the trysail is likely to chafe them through anyway. It might be best to figure out how to stow or clear away the Dutchman gear before you hoist the trysail.

jack2 05-09-2011 08:51 PM

I found a manual online. It seems like I am supposed to loosen up the dutchman lines and tie them back to the mast, then drop the boom to the deck and tie it off. On our boat that means disconnecting the boom-vang, which if it is blowing hard enough to use a trisail, sounds almost impossible. The boat is old, but new to me, I am just figuring out how to use all the sails that came with it, this summer on lake michigan but I hope to do an ocean crossing in the next 5 to 7 years, I still have to get this work thing in the past. In addition to the fact that for now the boat is much more capable than me.

genieskip 05-09-2011 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack2 (Post 728346)
What is the process of tacking a storm trysail if the boat has dutchman reefing, do those lines get in the way?

You will not be able to fly a regular storm trysail with dutchman reefing. If for any of many reasons the wind goes from one tack to the other, the dutchman lines will be torn right out by the sail or the sheets. That's one of the reasons I prefer lazyjacks. I can pull my lazyjacks to the mast (and I do whenever I hoist the main, it's much easier that way) and that gets them out of the way of a Storm Trysail

If you have what used to be called a Swedish Trysail or a blade (a tall trysail with a very, very short foot) you might just be able to clear the clew of the trysail forward of the most forward dutchman line, but that's a very unusual sail and it would have to have two sheets, like a jib, to clear the dutchman lines - most trysails have two sheets anyway. And even then, I think the flogging of the sheets in really bad weather would tear out the dutchman.

genieskip 05-09-2011 08:59 PM

The manual is correct. Take the lines to the mast and drop the boom and secure it unless you have a really strong boom crutch. You do not want a flailing boom under conditions that warrant a storm trysail

jack2 05-09-2011 09:06 PM

Is it better to disconnect the vang from the mast and secure it to the boom or from the boom and lash it to the deck/mast?

catamount 05-09-2011 09:11 PM

If you have a rigid vang, as I do, I would not bother messing around with trying to pull cotter pins and what not in order to drop the aft end of the boom. Rather I would rig some lines to secure the boom side to side, e.g. from the mainsheet bail to the toe rail on both sides.

jack2 05-09-2011 09:13 PM

It is ridged vang and that was my first thought as well.


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