Bow in or stern in at the dock? - Page 2 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Skills and Seamanship > Seamanship & Navigation
 Not a Member? 

Seamanship & Navigation Forum devoted to seamanship and navigation topics, including paper and electronic charting tools.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #11  
Old 06-28-2011
JordanH's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 324
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 6
JordanH is on a distinguished road
My Contessa has a wind vane hung off the transom, a BBQ on the pushpit, and a transom/keel hung rudder; All of which make it advisable to dock bow-to.

However, there's another reason to go bow in; Not all boats back up predictably. I've only had my boat a very short while but I have yet to figure out her ways. She will turn, eventually, in the direction I want as I reverse but that happens in her time, not mine. Therefore, backing into a tight spot would be very difficult.

Other boats on which I sail have razor sharp handling in reverse and we back into the slip each night on race night.

The point being, outside of preference there is the physical ability of the boat design to manoeuvre in reverse.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #12  
Old 06-28-2011
DRFerron's Avatar
A mod and her dragon
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: SE Pennsylvania
Posts: 4,078
Thanks: 66
Thanked 151 Times in 136 Posts
Rep Power: 10
DRFerron is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by JordanH View Post
The point being, outside of preference there is the physical ability of the boat design to manoeuvre in reverse.
If the shouts and expletives coming from the Island Packet skippers on the other side of our dock are any indication, those boats are hard to back in to a slip. A few owners did tell us that it's difficult for them and recently we and our neighbors watched an IP charter boat return and it was excruciating. They were determined to slam into every exposed bit of wood in the slip, then they gunned it forward and did it again. We've had our share of docking challenges but we do know how to use the throttle to move the boat not redesign the slip at full speed.
__________________
Donna


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Catalina 30 TRFK

Contributing Editor
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
magazine

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Rock Hall Cruising Station

All things that are, are equally removed from being nothing. John Donne
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #13  
Old 06-28-2011
jackdale's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 8,952
Thanks: 27
Thanked 53 Times in 50 Posts
Rep Power: 6
jackdale will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRFerron View Post
If the shouts and expletives coming from the Island Packet skippers on the other side of our dock are any indication, those boats are hard to back in to a slip.
Full keel boats are designed to track in a nice straight line. You need additional speed to get steerageway. Reversing is even more difficult when there is a 2:1 reduction in the transmission.
__________________
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203, 204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #14  
Old 06-28-2011
SVAuspicious's Avatar
Mermaid Hunter
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: on the boat - Chesapeake
Posts: 3,543
Thanks: 0
Thanked 124 Times in 109 Posts
Rep Power: 9
SVAuspicious will become famous soon enough
Partial finger so getting on and off is easier stern-to
Loading the boat is easier stern-to
Shorter power cord stern-to

Works for me.
__________________
sail fast and eat well, dave
S/V Auspicious
AuspiciousWorks.com
beware "cut and paste" sailors.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #15  
Old 06-28-2011
turbulicity's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Redwood City
Posts: 179
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 4
turbulicity is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
Reversing is even more difficult when there is a 2:1 reduction in the transmission.
Can you expand on this point a little? Thanks.
__________________
1978 Gulfstar 50'
Clark Sailing Dinghy 10'
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #16  
Old 06-28-2011
jackdale's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 8,952
Thanks: 27
Thanked 53 Times in 50 Posts
Rep Power: 6
jackdale will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbulicity View Post
Can you expand on this point a little? Thanks.
Many transmissions have an approx. 2:1 reduction in reverse. That the prop rotates at half the speed per rpm in reverse as it does in forward.
__________________
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203, 204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #17  
Old 06-28-2011
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 72
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 7
Cptken is on a distinguished road
Re Backing in

Those that back in usually do it for the convenience. Depending on how much water you have at your dock also has a bearing. Neighbor backed her new H36 into her slip for the first year. Loved the ease of loading and unloading. On her haul out the following spring she was dismayed to find that mud/slime had rubbed all the ablative bottom paint off the bottom half of her rudder and she had a nice barnacle farm growing. Thankfully we have a soft bottom so physical damage was done.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #18  
Old 06-28-2011
deniseO30's Avatar
1934 Chickering
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bristol pa
Posts: 6,319
Thanks: 52
Thanked 99 Times in 89 Posts
Rep Power: 9
deniseO30 will become famous soon enough deniseO30 will become famous soon enough
privacy with bow in is worth the little extra effort when loading or off loading. but to do a 180 and bring her bow in after the loading is done is also an option!
__________________
Denise, Bristol PA, Oday 30. On Tidal Delaware River, Anchor Yacht Club. New Website!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

My boat is for sale.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #19  
Old 06-28-2011
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,370
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 9
puddinlegs is on a distinguished road
Bow in for relative privacy, stern in for rudder brushing and transom waxing
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #20  
Old 06-28-2011
Faster's Avatar
Just another Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Westminster, BC
Posts: 15,149
Thanks: 83
Thanked 234 Times in 226 Posts
Rep Power: 10
Faster has a spectacular aura about Faster has a spectacular aura about Faster has a spectacular aura about
We dock bow in in our current slip, it just works better for the angles and the neighbouring boat. Backing out is OK - we are tied to starboard, walk to port (minimally) so back out to port, stop and head down the fairway forward. The privacy is another issue.

However we've always owned boats that back well, and if in a tricky or new situation we traditionally would back in (esp when we had a folding prop) so we had reliable 'brakes'. Also the boat actually controlled just fine in reverse. I've seen other designs that would totally preclude that approach.

Now that we have a Max prop we've got good brakes whichever way we go in.. so it's mainly a decision based on the particular docking situation if we're away on a cruise. Whatever works is fine for us.

Otherwise puddin's rules are as good as any!
__________________
Ron

1984 Fast/Nicholson 345 "FastForward"

".. there is much you could do at sea with common sense.. and very little you could do without it.."
Capt G E Ericson (from "The Cruel Sea" by Nicholas Monsarrat)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Jackline: to stern or not to stern dreuge Gear & Maintenance 10 12-24-2009 01:23 PM
anchoring bow and stern mugsy General Discussion (sailing related) 7 01-15-2008 11:28 AM
Stern docking nthompson General Discussion (sailing related) 8 08-04-2004 01:19 AM
Bow or Stern? mattyc Learning to Sail 6 05-14-2002 11:25 PM
Stern Anchors Mark Matthews Cruising Articles 0 08-14-2000 09:00 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:39 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.