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post #11 of 43 Old 10-04-2011
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You Did the Right thing. I draw 4 ft, and I typically don't cut that corner, I certainly wouldn't do it at night.

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Not too cautious at all. Have passed down LIS many times and never cut the buoys. Jeppesen shows only 9' on that shallow spot. It would be crazy to try clearing over it to gain a few minutes. There are also some weird currents around the points that are not worth dealing with. If you time the current right, staying mid-Sound is always a better idea. The only time I'd even consider cutting inside buoys is if I had personal knowledge of the area. A couple of years ago I hit bottom and did some damage while IN the channel on Lake Champlain. Was too close for the low water condition and should have been another 100 yards off to be safe. The lesson: Don't only stay in the marked channel but give the buoys plenty of room.
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The abbreviation is a descriptor of the bottom, not of an isolated hazard. Go to U.S. Chart No. 1 and download.
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Two things

1) The buoy is there for a reason, primarily commercial shipping with deeper drafts

2) Prudent passage planning requires that buoys and other aids to navigation should be identified in advance of departure. There should be no surprises.

I would leave it to port.
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Instincts can be quite valuable on a sailboat especially at night. If your looking at rocks on a chart and wondering then you already have the answer. The world is probably full of corners sailboats could cut, and rocks/reefs you could pass inside of, However I have always been content to be the boat that is that extra 1/2 hour later getting into the anchorage.
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David, Don't think about it twice, you did right!
Am familiar with Matinecock Pt. green 21...I know I can cut it
with my 4 1/2' draft, I don't and never have.
I try to develop and stick to good habits and that serves me well,
as bad habits or short cuts eventually will catch up with one.
Your captain, it would seem was familiar and comfortable with the
course...you were not.
If a helmsman, who I trust with the well being of the crew and the
boat does not have the time to consult with me and
chooses to error on the side of caution...I say thank you.
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The abbreviation is a descriptor of the bottom, not of an isolated hazard. Go to U.S. Chart No. 1 and download.
Yep. The "Rk" refers to the condition of the bottom, not a big ol' rock sticking up.

However, a slight detour to the outside of that mark would cost you no more than a few minutes sailing time. Also, being outside of the mark would give you more room (and time) to deal with any problems; particularly if you had an equipment failure, or traffic to deal with (you might not have been the only vessel cutting it tight around that point that night), or whatever, at just the wrong moment.

Giving yourself a bit more margin for error is always prudent.

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Taking the owner's position may not be popular, but if he draws 6' and he know it, and the chart shows 10', and he knows that, and then you add possibly 8' of tide, (we don't know what the tide was doing, but assume the owner knew at the time) giving you 18' of water depth for a 6' draft... there are some channels shallower than that. Asking about observing the buoy was the right thing to do, but the skipper seems to have already worked out the equation.
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Not familiar with this chart, but I think "Rk" in this situation probably does refer to actual charted rocks, not the nature of the seabed. See Chart No. 1, K-b and K-14.
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Night ?


Booming alone at 6 knts ?


Shaving a corner ?


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