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Old 11-15-2011
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Sounds like there may be a market for dummy EPIRBS. "Sure, see, I'm switching it on." ---or--- If you think crew may not get what "CAPTAIN" means, stash the real one so that only you know where it is.
I think these are both bad ideas. If I'm unconscious and the boat is taking on water, I want my crew to be able to initiate the emergency procedures in my place.

I don't think any plan that involves lying to your crew is a good one, will be effective, or will foster a good relationship between skipper and crew.
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To answer the question “what would I do?” I would bill the owner of the offending boat for the false alarm distress call and I would even consider criminal charges. If the skipper wanted to calm everybody’s nerves, why didn’t they make a call on their SSB or SAT phone? At least the tax payers wouldn’t be stuck with a $100k bill for the C130. The other little flaw is once the EPIRB signal is identified as a false alarm, it stops being tracked. So if they had a real emergency later on, they would be Sierra Oscar Lima.
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Old 11-16-2011
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I think these are both bad ideas. If I'm unconscious and the boat is taking on water, I want my crew to be able to initiate the emergency procedures in my place.

I don't think any plan that involves lying to your crew is a good one, will be effective, or will foster a good relationship between skipper and crew.
Sorry Adam. Was, of course, a joke but as the cap, you do need to make sure everyone knows what this means and that a boat is not a democracy.
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Way to go GeorgeB. The reason they did not make a call is because the boat was actually rolled over at the bottom of a swell while going 18 kts out of control thus the crew panic. The cabin was totally trashed all electronics OOC.

They eventually were able to restablish coms using the handheld sat phone. I agree a call to the CG via sat phone would have been a better choice but I wasn't there.
They eventually were routed back across the Gulf Stream and pulled into a Marina in Moorehead City, NC.
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Have to agree with sawingknots- I also single or duo hand my boat- hard finding compatibly crew most times! - not always but most.
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Here is a video of a Swan 42 that got a taste of Sean, guess they decided to run for Charleston, SC.
Bella Luna vs. Sean - YouTube
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Great video! Seems like a common thread, a ripped headsail. Also wonder if I should outfit my boat with a trysail, since I don't have a 3 reef main.
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Really nice video. One of the better videos I've seen of a vessel hove-to in nasty weather (though I didn't hear them say what wind speeds they were seeing), and at one point you can see a sea-anchor rode.

Btw on SA there's a post listing Bella Luna as a Swan 48, not 42.
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Really nice video. One of the better videos I've seen of a vessel hove-to in nasty weather (though I didn't hear them say what wind speeds they were seeing), and at one point you can see a sea-anchor rode.

Btw on SA there's a post listing Bella Luna as a Swan 48, not 42.
Yep, You are correct, Bella Luna is a Swan 48. Sounds like they just barely made it in to Charleston.
Skipper AJ’s Report from Bella Luna


David,
Bella Luna is safe, if not beaten, in Charleston, SC.

What a trip we just had. I thought I would fill in the gaps of our journey.

As you know by the second day Bella Luna a Swan 48 was right up there with Catch 22, Namaste and Avocation. We hove-to as instructed by RealWx and waited to cross stream no earlier than Thursday morning. We watched boats sail by us, and after the 5 pm radio net we got back underway.
Hank and the rest were now a good 60 miles ahead of us. The Stream was no biggie and we headed East, dodging eddies the whole way. We were aiming at Bermuda, 170 degrees under storm jib when the genoa started to get a pocket, up top in a fold. By the time the crew was on deck, 1 min max, it had created an hourglass type pocket 2/3rds up the forestay. Approx 50 sq ft of sail out in 35-45 apparent wind. Waggle’n the rig to all get out. Thought it was gonna come down.

No efforts could un furl, furl, or drop sail. We had to hove to and wait for the rig to fail...
5 hrs later it finally ripped . . . dang kevlar sail . . . a Dacron sail would have popped in 5 mins!
With sail now torn, waggling’ stopped.

Now we have drifted to far west to make Bermuda. So we hunkered down and waited, while monsters crashed the deck and fill cockpit . . . drifting at 4-5 kts surfing sideways down waves.
Once we were just north of Bermuda I put on the brakes and launched my Gale Rider, drogue. Now only drifting at 1-2 kts with a good motion.
Sail is still flapping but we are glad it ripped.

We were 86 nm from Bermuda. After seeing the development of Sean, on Garmin XMWeather, we knew we could not make Bermuda and we pulled drogue, and aim for the coast with storm jib alone.

We did 214 nm in 24hrs that day, 175 the next.
We popped out of the massive low and thought we were home free.
Then . . while crossing the stream, with no warning, winds shifted and hit us hard with 30-40 on the nose, mid-stream. What next?

At 2 am we came off a wave so hard it blew the speedo plug out. Within mins, there were were floating floorboards, all systems went off, main breaker tripped.
We hand pumped 2000+gallons of sloshing sea water out of the boat, but the damage was done. Everything, all electronic systems, refer, water maker all out, due to saltwater immersion. Oh, yea the engine died and we had to get towed into Charleston.
Drying boat now.
I have a small amount of video, sorry lost 1 camera.
Will fwd when I can.
AJ
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At 2 am we came off a wave so hard it blew the speedo plug out.
Sounds like a design problem. Anyone hear of this before?

Is there a preemptive step that can be taken to prevent this.

If it wasn't for this problem it would have just been a rough crossing.
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