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Old 01-09-2012
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Yes I did get a free one from Boat US so I guess it's a US only MMSI.

Yes I don't think the SSB has a DSC feature.

I imagine Docksideradio.com can help me iron out the MMSI issue. Right now I am just trying to get a hold of the PO so he can release the Boat's FCC license so I can get my own.
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Yes I did get a free one from Boat US so I guess it's a US only MMSI.

Yes I don't think the SSB has a DSC feature.

I imagine Docksideradio.com can help me iron out the MMSI issue. Right now I am just trying to get a hold of the PO so he can release the Boat's FCC license so I can get my own.
I don't think the PO has to "release" the boat's FCC license. You can and should get your own Ship Station License, on the basis of new ownership.

You also need to be sure to "check all the boxes", as noted above.

You should also get a new FCC-issued MMSI number. This can be done at the same time as the Ship Station License. It is THIS number you should have programmed into your transmitting equipment, not any other. FYI, most VHF/DSC radios allow you to enter the MMSI number twice, but not more. Some radios only allow a single entry, after which you would need to send the radio back to the dealer for programming.

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Perhaps I should start a new thread but since we are all here already...

My General Radiotelephone Operators License covers me on the RRO correct? I will not need to take another test element to use a marine SSB?
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My General Radiotelephone Operators License covers me on the RRO correct? I will not need to take another test element to use a marine SSB?
Yes, that's correct. The GROL (PG) conveys all the operating privileges of the Marine Radio Operator Permit (MP) and, of course, the Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit (RR). It also permits you to "adjust, maintain, or internally repair" marine and aviation transmitters.

There are several other classes of marine operators permits. You can read all about them here (see left hand column): FCC: Wireless Telecommunications Bureau: Types of Licenses: General Radiotelephone

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License Search - Ship License Search

The above is part of the US FCC site. You can type in your boats name and search to find out what license it has. I did this with my boat and it turns out the previous owner had a Marine SSB license for the boat which is good until 2017. I also applied for a Marine SSB license and mine is good until 2020.

Does it matter the boat has two licenses and also two MMSI DSC numbers?

As far as your ICOM 7000 pro, I also have that unit and operate on ham bands (have general class). The unit may or may not be unlocked to operate on the ham bands (transmit), if it is locked, an ICOM dealer should be able to unlock the transmit for the ham bands, once you get your license.
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The FCC doesn't transfer licenses. If the license was from the prior owner, that prior owner should have canceled the license when the boat was sold.

If you have an RRO, you may already have a Federal Registry Number (FRN). You can get this off you RRO, or you can look it up on the FCC website. You just need to get your password, and everything else is pretty straight forward. Just take your time, and make sure all the information is entered correctly.
As my previous post indicates, the boat's PO did not cancel their Marine SSB ships license, and I now have my own (boat has two call signs). Do I need to do anything?
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As my previous post indicates, the boat's PO did not cancel their Marine SSB ships license, and I now have my own (boat has two call signs). Do I need to do anything?
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Don't worry about it. It is the previous owner's responsibility to update the information on his license, not yours. Just make sure the MMSI on the radios is your number and you are good to go.

The FCC holds the license holder responsible for the proper use of the ship license, so I made sure I canceled mine on the old boat. Last thing I wantred was someone hitting a DSC button and having someone knock on my door. Even if it's not my fault, I would have violated the rules regarding keeping information up to date.
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Don't worry about it. It is the previous owner's responsibility to update the information on his license, not yours. Just make sure the MMSI on the radios is your number and you are good to go.

The FCC holds the license holder responsible for the proper use of the ship license, so I made sure I canceled mine on the old boat. Last thing I wantred was someone hitting a DSC button and having someone knock on my door. Even if it's not my fault, I would have violated the rules regarding keeping information up to date.
Ok, thanks. The SSB does not have a DSC but the boats VHF does, I do not think the VHF has been programmed with the MMIS # by the PO but I will double check again- it is not hooked up to the boats GPS/chart plotter (I have programmed by Standard Handheld VHF that has a built in GPS with DSC).
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Question about Marine SSB. Do any of you actually use it?

Seems most commercial vessels do not use Marine SSB and would use sat phones instead. You cannot leagally talk to a land based station (other than for placement of phone calls or Coast Guard) using a Marine SSB. I also look at the emergency frequencies and most of these would seem not very dependable in an emergency- like 2182 Khz- the range of that frequency in the day is maybe a couple hundred miles and at night maybe a thousand. The other emergency freqs are not much better- as a ham operator, one of the things you realize is how undependable the SSB (HF bands) are. With an PLB or EPIRB and Sat phones now available, seems marine SSB would be on the way out. The ham portion of the SSB (HF) bands can and are very good for the cruising sailor- you probably would have better luck with a may day or pan pan on the ham bands as more people are listening to those freq (and located all over the world).
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Marine SSB is still the most cost effective communication for offshore passages and will probably remain so for some time. Satellite communication is far superior, but very expensive. Very very expensive.

To answer your question, I don't use it much. Truthfully, only for an annual long passage. However, this past year I got a Grib file reader for my iPad and was not more than 48 hrs from a 3G cell signal, so I relied exclusively on it.

It surprises me that there isn't better technology to integrate a modem with the SSB, such as an iPad app. I find downloading a Grib via SSB through a Pacor modem onto a laptop, then converting it into a readable file is WAY TOO COMPLICATED for the 21st century.

I need an app for that!! There should be a way to connect the iPad to the SSB, dial a freq and press a button. Seriously.
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