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Re: Let's talk about anchors some more

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Once again, The problem I have with the fortress people is they are telling me to use 1/4 inch chain for my boat size. I almost take that kind of mis-information pesonally. how can you anchor quick if it takes 15 seconds for the anchor to float to the bottom. When I sail in and drop my 50 pounder and 100 feet of 5/8 chain, I"d bet my boat I'm holding faster, longer, and stronger than the dude with the dog chain and the anchor that actually has bouyancy.
There is just no comparrison. Your chain and anchor weigh 400lb. I would argue a Fortress FX55 with 1/4 chain would give you better holding power than your current set up. It would weigh less than 100lb. If your not happy with this go up to a Fortress FX 85 or even a FX125. The total weight would still be about a 1/4 what your hauling up at the moment.
This would revolutionise your anchoring experience. Keep in mind my FX-37 has held a 50 foot cat successfully in 50k. An FX 125 has double the holding capicity of the FX 37 so gross overkill would be understatmatment.
The cost of these much better anchors is high, but it's still important to acknowledge there are much better products out there than a steel Danforth.

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Re: Let's talk about anchors some more

We have to agree to disagree. My dingy has 1/4 ' chain. Luckily I go with what I know rather than what other people think. My anchoring experience is fantastic. I love the feel of the heavy chain in my hand and the sound of it running out. I love the feel of the boat pulling on it in heavy weather and knowing I have all that weight and steel down there, and rasing is a sinche. I wouldn't compromise the secure feeling I have camping on top of a valcano in the highlands of Guatemala, knowing my boat is riding on some real tackle. opening a link on a 1/4" once was just proof to something I already knew., It's too small. As for the fortress. well, 7lbs is a joke to me, My dog takes a 7 pound
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If you start dragging fast, that fortress will glide along underwater like a paper airplane. Try and drop a 7 pound fortress while moving 6 knots in a 3 knot current in an emergancy, ( like going down a river and the engine dies) you'll pull it along like a water skier
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We have to agree to disagree.
I certainly would not question the size of your dogs bowl movements
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Re: Let's talk about anchors some more

I kid, and I know loads of people are succesfuly anchoring with the fortress, The chain size is personal. No man wants to hear his gear is too small. I said at the begining, I like what most would consider big Tackle. On that note. If I make an apple pie once a year, or once a month even, why not refer to the lady who makes one everyday all day. She may have had more mishaps and conditions. I'm not claiming to be an expert, just some one who has been doing it all the time for 20 years. I don't read about it much, or know the math in my head, I just know BIG...GOOD. My kowledge is almost simian compared to an over thinker on the subject. I said it before and I'll say it again..BIG....GOOD.
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If you start dragging fast, that fortress will glide along underwater like a paper airplane. Try and drop a 7 pound fortress while moving 6 knots in a 3 knot current in an emergancy, ( like going down a river and the engine dies) you'll pull it along like a water skier
Yes it's a good point. An ideal main annchor never drags, but of it does it's very helpful if it drags slowly.
Danforth anchors a terrible in this regard often dragging very rapidly, but I agree the lightweight Fortress is even slightly worse. It is one of the reasons why I would not choose a Fortress or a Danforth as my primary anchor. Given you are prepared to take this risk I think the higher holding power of a large Fortress is still a much better option.
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No man wants to here his gear is too small.
No arguments there.
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Re: Let's talk about anchors some more

Hey Capt Arron,
here's a merge of a couple old designs for you. A local shop is modifying a stock danforth to work in shell/rock type bottoms for the fishing charterboats. The link is a sketch i drew of the design,sorry i don't have a photo.
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Hey Capt Arron,
here's a merge of a couple old designs for you. A local shop is modifying a stock danforth to work in shell/rock type bottoms for the fishing charterboats. The link is a sketch i drew of the design,sorry i don't have a photo.
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Re: Let's talk about anchors some more

Sorry. I still don't get it. I've never seen a chain come apart that wasn't badly corroded first or grossly overloaded. 1/4" is plenty big for your boat. I've sat through three hurricanes on one anchor and 8mm (about 5/16") HT anchor chain. Why is chain coming apart on you that shouldn't based on both design data and the empirical data from others? Why does fate have a grudge against you?
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