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Re: wind conditions and reefing

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I am still a little intimidated by trying to put in a reef when I am on the water. When the sails are luffing it I worry I will be hit by them or the jib or the jib lines.
The briefing on this site indicated that you should put the reef in when the sails are luffing. Is it also possible to do while there is wind in the sail? It seems like that would be less drama.

There's different reefing systems and even some you don't even have to leave the cabin for.
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Re: wind conditions and reefing

If I have crew I prefer to put in a reef in the main while sailing on the jib. Just ease the main until it luffs but keep the jib trimmed. The advantage of this approach is you have full control over the course. I don't like luffing both sails at the same time as you quickly lose way and then it's easy to get backwinded. This approach does not work well with lazy jacks, though.

With the reefing lines all back to the cockpit we can change the reefing in 20s and hardly lose any speed.

If alone, the best way is to heave to. The boat is again stable in attitude to the wind and there is little or no force on the main.
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Re: wind conditions and reefing

How do the lazy jack affect the process?

I had a fully battened sail and have found they like to get stuck on the lazy jacks when I raise the sail.

How do they affect reefing?

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Re: wind conditions and reefing

I have come to accept my lazyjacks. Now, I simply release the line fully to allow the sail to go where it will when raising it. Once the mainsail is up, I will tighten the lazyjack line a bit so it is not flapping aroundl

It does not interfere with reefing, provided you allow enough slack.
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Re: wind conditions and reefing

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How do the lazy jack affect the process?

I had a fully battened sail and have found they like to get stuck on the lazy jacks when I raise the sail.

How do they affect reefing?

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The best system is one that allows the lazyjacks to be stowed near the gooseneck after the main is lowered. They are only needed for lowering a sail. They are not needed for reefing. In this picture the lazyjacks are hooked on a cleat.

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Re: wind conditions and reefing

My old lazyjack system was removed last month, and now I'm finding it much easier to put the mainsail up, and change reefing, especially when close reaching on the jib.

I designed a new system that would allow each side of the lazy jacks to be lowered independently or together. for raising the sail or reefing.The two lines that go up to near the top of the mast would go around blocks, then come back down the cleats on each side of the mast. The old system terminated at the top of the mast.

If you wanted to get really fancy you could bring the two "lazy jack halyards" back to the cockpit.
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Re: wind conditions and reefing

W have ez- jacks which are out of the way at the mast so our full batten main is not hung up on them. After havinbg lazy jacks for years these are a huge improvement. Thye even have a system for deploying from ther cokpit although we dont do that.

You can make these also if you are so inclined, but they really arent that expensive.

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Re: wind conditions and reefing

Not familiar w/ your boat but in lets say 30 knots or more I personally would just use the motor. I've got a Sabre 28 @ 7800 pound displacement, w/ fin keel & 4.5' draft. In 25 knots I would just use the main alone w/ no reef (my dad would have the genoa up as well). I grew up racing w/ my dad so I have a little different perspective. We were once in a race w/ 25 knot winds & 30 Knot gusts. My dad decided to fly the spinnaker, which no one else was doing in the race. It was a lot of fun until we broached but he decided to continue to fly the spinnaker until we broached again & water started pouring into the cockpit. It all depends what your comfortable at. If you feel your heeling to much you can ease the main or reef it or fall down.
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Re: wind conditions and reefing

So I have discovered that putting a reef in my headsail solves 90% of the problem
We where out on Saturday with 5 people on the boat.
I saw the wind was more than predicted so we used the rolling furler to reduce the jib from a 130% (or maybe 150%?) genoa to jib sail size. After that she handled fine in 26 knot winds. Heeled up to 30 degrees while going upwind at a nice clip. (7 knots)
How much difference do you think the extra people made?
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How much difference do you think the extra people made?
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It depends on how large your friends are...

Probably made quite a difference, even on a 13K lb. boat with a 34% ballast to displacement ratio. With an 11' beam, you had all that weight positioned 3-5' windward of the center of buoyancy, probably just about in line with the center of the displacement/gravitational pull of the boat.

Of course the weight is high in the boat. Next time, see if they will all huddle belowdecks on the windward side... or in the bilge...
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