Give me a break: Techniques for Heaving-To - Page 2 - SailNet Community
Seamanship & Navigation Forum devoted to seamanship and navigation topics, including paper and electronic charting tools.

 7Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 45 Old 11-15-2012
Senior Member
 
jackdale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 9,041
Thanks: 27
Thanked 59 Times in 56 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Re: Give me a break: Techniques for Heaving-To

I heave-to regularly.

The MOB I teach involves heaving-to immediately and for the pick up.

I usually heave-to prior to that teaching the MOB to determine how the boat behaves while hove-to. There is a lot of difference between main driven boats and genoa driven boats. We will have lunch - I have even fired up the BBQ.

__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203, 204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 45 Old 11-15-2012
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 24
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
heave to or sea anchor?

It seems to me that a sea anchor would be easier on the bt, sails, and would require no further attention once its set in big seas. Ive nvr done either on MY boat. Any experienced opinions?
seabrookedan is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #13 of 45 Old 11-15-2012
Once known as Hartley18
 
Classic30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 4,835
Thanks: 45
Thanked 65 Times in 65 Posts
Rep Power: 10
   
Dock
Re: heave to or sea anchor?

Quote:
Originally Posted by seabrookedan View Post
It seems to me that a sea anchor would be easier on the bt, sails, and would require no further attention once its set in big seas. Ive nvr done either on MY boat. Any experienced opinions?
They're different things:
- Heaving-to is intended to (approximately) stop the boat to give the crew a break. It isn't any harder on the sails than normal sailing, although chafe can be more of a problem if you're not careful.
- A sea anchor is used to slow the boat down. You're still sailing..

-
"Honestly, I don't know why seamen persist in getting wrecked in some of the outlandish places they do, when they can do it in a nice place like Fiji." -- John Caldwell, "Desperate Voyage"
Classic30 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #14 of 45 Old 11-15-2012
KNOT KNOWN
 
Capt.aaron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Guanaja, Bay Islands, Honduras
Posts: 1,320
Thanks: 1
Thanked 21 Times in 21 Posts
Rep Power: 4
 
Re: Give me a break: Techniques for Heaving-To

Sheet in my reefed main, tie off the tiller and go below, done it for day's at a time.

" Some are boat wise and some are other wise"
Capt.aaron is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #15 of 45 Old 11-16-2012
Senior Member
 
jackdale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 9,041
Thanks: 27
Thanked 59 Times in 56 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Re: heave to or sea anchor?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartley18 View Post
They're different things:
- Heaving-to is intended to (approximately) stop the boat to give the crew a break. It isn't any harder on the sails than normal sailing, although chafe can be more of a problem if you're not careful.
- A sea anchor is used to slow the boat down. You're still sailing..
I hate to be pedantic - maybe.

Actually a drogue would slow you down. A sea anchor is used to keep the bow into the waves.

__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203, 204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #16 of 45 Old 11-16-2012
Once known as Hartley18
 
Classic30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 4,835
Thanks: 45
Thanked 65 Times in 65 Posts
Rep Power: 10
   
Dock
Re: heave to or sea anchor?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
I hate to be pedantic - maybe.

Actually a drogue would slow you down. A sea anchor is used to keep the bow into the waves.
Oops!.. my bad.

No-one I know has ever used a "sea anchor" as a sea anchor.. In the stuff we get down in this part of the world, it's simply too blooming dangerous to use one like that - over the bow at least - 'cause you'll get nicely creamed by the next roller.

I've only ever known them to be chucked out the stern - yes, as a drogue..

-
"Honestly, I don't know why seamen persist in getting wrecked in some of the outlandish places they do, when they can do it in a nice place like Fiji." -- John Caldwell, "Desperate Voyage"
Classic30 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #17 of 45 Old 11-16-2012
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 24
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Thats what my concern is. Jib against shrouds.have since bought"storm tactics" by lin and larry pardey. Highly reco it.2old school true salts who scull in and out of harbor. Answrref all my question. Ive only hove to on a bt i workd on with jib against shrouds. Dnt lk that idea. In this dvd from w marine the heave to with reefed main or trisail only. I tht jib had to be backed. Not on most sloops though i learned. Also when things get worse they deploy sea anchor in addition to main. They briddle it off the bow and about a 3rd aft from bow. It holds you at about a 45 to the seas. This creates a slick which keeps the seas from bteaking on u. They suggest that 2 deploy of the bow only can cause rudder damage if a big enough wave sends u backwards hard. Also youll swing back and forth a bit and wont have much of the protective slick.briddling it to take seas on qrtr bow will create a much wider safety zone(slick). I really suggest this dvd. A free overview is online. Not full movie. I will practice their technique. Thnx for the replies!
seabrookedan is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #18 of 45 Old 11-16-2012
Senior Member
 
jackdale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 9,041
Thanks: 27
Thanked 59 Times in 56 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Re: heave to or sea anchor?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartley18 View Post
Oops!.. my bad.

No-one I know has ever used a "sea anchor" as a sea anchor.. In the stuff we get down in this part of the world, it's simply too blooming dangerous to use one like that - over the bow at least - 'cause you'll get nicely creamed by the next roller.

I've only ever known them to be chucked out the stern - yes, as a drogue..


Source A Small Yacht, a Big Ocean and a Wild Storm

A drogue on an open transom boat is an invitation to get pooped.

__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203, 204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #19 of 45 Old 11-16-2012
Once known as Hartley18
 
Classic30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 4,835
Thanks: 45
Thanked 65 Times in 65 Posts
Rep Power: 10
   
Dock
Re: heave to or sea anchor?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jackdale View Post


Source A Small Yacht, a Big Ocean and a Wild Storm

A drogue on an open transom boat is an invitation to get pooped.
Heh. Maybe not one's that big!!

Seriously though, in the stuff you get down here (lots of fetch resulting in large, breaking waves) you really don't ever want to completely stop out there. Heaving-to allows the boat to be pushed "sideways" (usually at an angle to the waves) if anything nasty happens along whilst you're down below with your cuppa in hand.. and if you decide to run for it a correctly-sized drogue will slow you down enough to stop you being pooped - at least that's the plan.

Edit: AIUI, the problem with real sea anchors (like you one shown) is their trendency to pull the bow down in the trough, encouraging larger waves to break over the bow and run madly over the deck. I guess they'd be ok for smaller/no waves or lighter winds, but then you might as well heave-to?.. Maybe they're for people who can't heave-to and don't mind storing something else below.

-
"Honestly, I don't know why seamen persist in getting wrecked in some of the outlandish places they do, when they can do it in a nice place like Fiji." -- John Caldwell, "Desperate Voyage"

Last edited by Classic30; 11-16-2012 at 03:04 AM.
Classic30 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #20 of 45 Old 11-16-2012
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 24
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
From the bow is the only way i knew of b4 i saw storm tactics by lin and larry pardey. I like this idea much btr.
Attached Thumbnails
20121115_235416.jpg  
seabrookedan is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Anchoringing techniques brokesailor Cruising & Liveaboard Forum 23 12-14-2008 09:47 AM
General Navigation Techniques Jim Sexton Learning to Sail Articles 0 09-01-2004 08:00 PM
Lightning Protection Techniques Kevin Hughes Seamanship Articles 0 08-26-2002 08:00 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome