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Re: Do I Need an EPIRB?

Paulo,
I agree I guess

I am responding to the OP who was asking what he should have bought for him as a present and he said EPIRG and said they are too expensive at ($700), They arent that expensive anymore, our ARC GPS was about ($450),

Some gave advice to get AIS and VHF with DSC instead, which I dont see as meeting all of his needs as he will be doing a fair amount of coustal cruising in Maine.

To me ocean means EPIRB. IT works in an emergency all places and in all conditions even if you have to abandon.

Sorry if I misunderstood you.
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...In the event you are in the water, VHF with DSC wont work but EPIRP will.......

When you grab your ditch bag make sure you grab your EPIRB and put it in, if you grab the VHF you will be sh.. out of luck.

BTW I have DSC and AIS on my VHF. Its fine for small isuues, but the EPIRB is good for everything so if I could only have one....no brainer
I would not do a passage without an EPIRB either.

But, the water temp is the rub in this scenario, if you're being forced to choose. We are talking about a coastal passage, so there should be a boat monitoring Ch16 within a couple of miles, if not closer. Certainly, there will be within a very short time. A handheld VHF with integrated GPS to give your location could be a real advantage. On the coast of Maine, in the summer, one should find another boat within range. Even if they can't do the rescue, they can call the USCG and confirm the situation and the USCG will launch immediately.

I think you would get ahold of a nearby vessel, long before SARSAT even decided your signal was for real. As you know, they absolutely do not launch a rescue boat toward every signal. They wait for some confirmation first.

That's my final point. We're talking about coastal Maine, where water temps are approx 50 at the height of the summer. You better be able to survive in those temps or absolutely none of the above will do you any good whatsoever. In my book, that means liferaft. Staying aboard, let alone dry, in a dinghy in seas over 2 feet is unlikely.


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Re: Do I Need an EPIRB?

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So I guess the question is, "What's the best use of a $700 safety budget for a coastal cruising boat?."

1. EPIRB
2. Chartplotter and AIS VHF
3. Assortment of jack lines, tethers and good PFDs
Minnie,

The OP was talking about a $700 budget. I dont know to many life rafts which can be had for that. In addition he has a 25 ft boat.

Heres what I would recommend for $700- ACR PLB abd SH VHF with DSC and AIS

ACR 2880 ResQLink PLB Personal Locator Beacon

http://www.thegpsstore.com/Standard-...VHF-P2629.aspx


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Re: Do I Need an EPIRB?

Since you are coastal what about a "spot tracker"? Not to mention all the usual safety gear? I have no clue about what's available to coastal USA sailors these days, for a 25 foot boat getting real about all the basics would be a better spend of 700 bucks....


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I have no clue about what's available to coastal USA sailors these days, aeventyr60
Then why comment??????

Spot trackers are not cheap and they have a $150 renewal every year. They are really glorified tracking devices for the route you are traveling which update every 10-15 minutes. They are more for your family who is following you or if you want a cheap history of your route. They are made cheaply have very short battery life, and even though they have an emergency feature I would not put much faith in them compared to a real EPIRB like unit.

Purchasing a PLB for a few dollars more would give exact GPS coordinates every minute and would be cheaper after one years use.

Spending $700 for a PLB and a good VHF with DSC and AIS is a small price to pay for safety for any size boat especially one in the ocean. Hell thats less than one boat buck...or in Nepal its about 56,000 rupees.


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Then why comment??????

Spot trackers are not cheap and they have a $150 renewal every year. They are really glorified tracking devices for the route you are traveling which update every 10-15 minutes. They are more for your family who is following you or if you want a cheap history of your route. They are made cheaply have very short battery life, and even though they have an emergency feature I would not put much faith in them compared to a real EPIRB like unit.

Purchasing a PLB for a few dollars more would give exact GPS coordinates every minute and would be cheaper after one years use.

Spending $700 for a PLB and a good VHF with DSC and AIS is a small price to pay for safety for any size boat especially one in the ocean. Hell thats less than one boat buck...or in Nepal its about 56,000 rupees.
Small boat, coastal sailing, take care of the basics first, 700 bucks may take care of all the "eventual" problems anyway...better prepared first...exactly get the concerned family "informed", so they don't contact the coast Guard about a "small boat" overdue. A few Rupees's spent beforehand on basic systems can go along way, doubt these guys will be out for, what a few weeks, then they can use the spot tracker on their way to starbucks...


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Re: Do I Need an EPIRB?

Spot tracker costs $150 then approx $150 for the subscription renewal every year. PLB costs $252. This is a no brainer.


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doubt these guys will be out for, what a few weeks, then they can use the spot tracker on their way to starbucks...
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Re: Do I Need an EPIRB?

No need to renew if they are not using it. Maybe they are hikers or skiers or pursue other outdoor activities? Maybe Boat US rents this stuff out( PLB, AIS, EPIRB, Liferafts to the coastal sailors?


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Spot trackers are not cheap and they have a $150 renewal every year. They are really glorified tracking devices for the route you are traveling which update every 10-15 minutes. They are more for your family who is following you or if you want a cheap history of your route. They are made cheaply have very short battery life, and even though they have an emergency feature I would not put much faith in them compared to a real EPIRB like unit.

Purchasing a PLB for a few dollars more would give exact GPS coordinates every minute and would be cheaper after one years use.
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The basic SPOT service is $99 / year. The track progress and other features do cost additional money. The SPOT GPS Messanger device is always on sale for $100 so it still is cheaper (for a year or so anyway) than a PLB.

I don't know why you think the battery life is short. According to the web site, an activated unit will provide GPS information for at least 3 days, which seems plenty long to me. Lastly, the SPOT GPS messenger does provide GPS location data.

The SPOT and PLC are different but I think for coastal use the SPOT would be valuable. Considering the 'piece of mind' that the original poster is looking for, the SPOT may be a better choice.

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Re: Do I Need an EPIRB?

Bary,

We have a spot and discontinued use. For 99 sends the same message you cant change right? How often does it update GPS setting? I would rather have a PLB send the emergency signal than the spot.

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