Hell Gate - Page 2 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Skills and Seamanship > Seamanship & Navigation
 Not a Member? 

Seamanship & Navigation Forum devoted to seamanship and navigation topics, including paper and electronic charting tools.


Like Tree11Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #11  
Old 01-28-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Three Mile Harbor, East Hampton, NY
Posts: 473
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Rep Power: 8
tweitz is on a distinguished road
Hell Gate

One other piece of history. During the Revolutionary War a British ship carrying the payroll for British troops in the colonies went down in Hell Gate with a fortune in gold. The wreck was never found.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #12  
Old 01-28-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: western LI sound, L.I., N.Y.
Posts: 494
Thanks: 1
Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts
Rep Power: 11
HUGOSALT is on a distinguished road
Re: Hell Gate

Yes, that would be the HMS Hussar, went down right at the gate. Story goes that several other ships transfered their payroll and other loot/cargo to it so it was heavily burdened and carring much $ equal to well over 1 billion in todays dollars...anyone have a snorkel and fins??
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #13  
Old 01-28-2013
brokesailor's Avatar
SV Skalliwag #141
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Homeport: Solomons, Maryland
Posts: 640
Thanks: 11
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Rep Power: 7
brokesailor is on a distinguished road
Re: Hell Gate

Rich: Thanks for the Info. One thing I don't understand. You say cross Hell's Gate at slack water. Later on you say to start my trip from Throgs Neck at 2 hrs after high at the Battery. It appears to be 7 miles from Throgs to Hell. That would put me in Hell about 3 hrs after the high at the Battery? So I can expect 4 Kts in Hell?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #14  
Old 01-28-2013
BubbleheadMd's Avatar
Chastened
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Edgewater/Annapolis
Posts: 3,036
Thanks: 1
Thanked 60 Times in 56 Posts
Rep Power: 6
BubbleheadMd will become famous soon enough
Send a message via Yahoo to BubbleheadMd
Re: Hell Gate

I don't have anything constructive to add to this discussion, but I wanted to say that aside from the interesting timing and navigation challenges, this trip would seem to offer some incredible views of historic areas of New York.

I envy you, making the trip.
brokesailor likes this.
__________________
S/V Old Shoes
1973 Pearson 30 #255
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #15  
Old 01-28-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Narragansett Bay
Posts: 9,481
Thanks: 10
Thanked 158 Times in 144 Posts
Rep Power: 6
Minnewaska will become famous soon enough Minnewaska will become famous soon enough
Re: Hell Gate

Quote:
Originally Posted by brokesailor View Post
Rich: Thanks for the Info. One thing I don't understand. You say cross Hell's Gate at slack water. Later on you say to start my trip from Throgs Neck at 2 hrs after high at the Battery. It appears to be 7 miles from Throgs to Hell. That would put me in Hell about 3 hrs after the high at the Battery? So I can expect 4 Kts in Hell?
I will have to pull the books for HG, but there is always a lag between tide and current. Be sure to use tables for current.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Jeanneau 54DS

In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair. Margaritas fix everything.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #16  
Old 01-28-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 2,062
Thanks: 6
Thanked 53 Times in 52 Posts
Rep Power: 8
Tempest is on a distinguished road
Re: Hell Gate

If you use Sunday June 23, 2013 as an example. ( full moon)

According to Eldridge

High Water at the Battery is listed as 8:38 a.m.

The Current in Hell Gate turns to the southwest @ 10:26 a.m Approximately 2 hours after the high water at the battery.

If you look at pages 128 thru 133 in eldrige they give you graphical diagrams of the current in 1 hour increments. Based on those diagrams @ 2 hours after high water at the battery, you'd already have 1.8 kn (sw). @ 3 hours after high tide at the battery you'd have 4 kn. (sw)

According to this current diagram slack is about 10:25 a.m:

Hell Gate (East River), New York Current

So, if you wanted to be at the gate At slack in the gate, you could leave the throgs neck about an hour after high tide at the battery. ( the current turns there 1 hour before the gate, so you'll get a push to cover the 7 miles.)

As you proceed down the river you could be catching up with the turns which occur later and not taking full advantage of the sleigh ride.

I believe, the 2 hour departure from throgs neck is designed to take full advantage of a favorable current and not neccesarily hit the gate at slack. ( I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong)

So, I believe it depends on what your goal is.

If you're destination is Liberty landing marina, you could hit the gate up to 4 or 5 hours after high tide at the battery and still get a favorable current. It's only a 2 hour trip with the current..and maybe another 1/2 hr to cross the hudson to the entrance to Liberty.

For those that are proceeding further south, the goal would be to hit the gate as early as possible to keep the favorable current down past the Verrazano narrows and beyond. On June 23rd, for instance, the flood at the narrows begins @ 4:34 p.m. You'd want to be through and past before that turn.

If you're heading up the hudson, you'd want hit the gate later to catch the flood up the hudson.

The last time through for me, I got to City island from port Jeff too early to head down river..so I took a leisurely siteseeing trip around Hart Island to kill some time. I didn't realize that it was the potters field for NYC and that the prisoners from Rikers are the burial detail.

I ending up hitting the gate at slack that day, I had never seen it so calm. But as Rich stated I encountered a Tug and a Barge that I slowed to let pass me earlier at the throgs neck, still turning in the gate. So I just backed down and let it clear.

Rich mentioned keeping and eye around corners. One of the spots to keep an eye in is the main channel around North Brother island. Most small craft will take the channel between the brother islands (at least, I do) . Once you emerge in either direction, you should look to see who might be coming around from the main channel.
__________________
Tempest
Sabre 34
Morgan, NJ
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #17  
Old 01-28-2013
chef2sail's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Maryland
Posts: 7,050
Thanks: 30
Thanked 57 Times in 53 Posts
Rep Power: 8
chef2sail will become famous soon enough
Send a message via AIM to chef2sail
Re: Hell Gate

Tempest is dead on. I avoid the Gate at slack as it can be full of tugs and barges. I prefer the sleigh ride in either direction. Going north I am usually on my way to Port Jefferson so I prefer a good push. Going south I am usually headed to either Atlantic Highlands or even Barnegat Bay on the Jersey Coast so I like the boost out thru NY Harbor.

We have made the run from Northport to Barnegat a few times.

Bubbles the scenery and sounds of the city are spectacular, We have albums of city shots of the Empire State, Statue of Liberty, Wall Street, South Street Seaport. The UN (disappointing).

The angst about Hell Gate is overblown IMHO. It is to be respected and you dont want to fight current, but the area leading into the East River and to the Manhattan bridges is way more nerve racking.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
___________________________
S/V Haleakala (Hawaiian for" House of the Sun")
C&C 35 MKIII Hull # 76
Parkville, Maryland
(photos by Joe McCary)
Charter member of the Chesapeake Lion posse

Our blog-
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


“Sailing is just the bottom line, like adding up the score in bridge. My real interest is in the tremendous game of life.”- Dennis Conner
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #18  
Old 01-28-2013
brokesailor's Avatar
SV Skalliwag #141
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Homeport: Solomons, Maryland
Posts: 640
Thanks: 11
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Rep Power: 7
brokesailor is on a distinguished road
Hell Gate

Thanks everyone for your input. Notes taken, ready to move on to another part of our trip planning!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #19  
Old 01-28-2013
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 52
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 9
sailor25b is on a distinguished road
Re: Hell Gate

I do it all the time from Huntington.
Leave Northport at low tide. By the time you get to the Throggs Neck Bridge, the tide will be high, and starting to turn, so you will have a sleigh ride down the East River.
Enjoy the ride!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #20  
Old 01-28-2013
Old enough to know better
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Beacon, NY
Posts: 2,346
Thanks: 18
Thanked 82 Times in 79 Posts
Rep Power: 9
miatapaul is on a distinguished road
Re: Hell Gate

Quote:
Originally Posted by chef2sail View Post
Tempest is dead on. I avoid the Gate at slack as it can be full of tugs and barges. I prefer the sleigh ride in either direction. Going north I am usually on my way to Port Jefferson so I prefer a good push. Going south I am usually headed to either Atlantic Highlands or even Barnegat Bay on the Jersey Coast so I like the boost out thru NY Harbor.

We have made the run from Northport to Barnegat a few times.

Bubbles the scenery and sounds of the city are spectacular, We have albums of city shots of the Empire State, Statue of Liberty, Wall Street, South Street Seaport. The UN (disappointing).

The angst about Hell Gate is overblown IMHO. It is to be respected and you dont want to fight current, but the area leading into the East River and to the Manhattan bridges is way more nerve racking.
I used to run the concessions at Ellis Island and never grew tired of looking at the city, and the Lady Liberty. No matter how many times you look at it is still takes your breath away!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cruising through Hell Gate BrianKing Cruising & Liveaboard Forum 10 06-27-2011 10:06 AM
Hell Gate advise please GFREE General Discussion (sailing related) 13 06-16-2010 11:01 AM
Hell Gate dlewis812 General Discussion (sailing related) 6 04-16-2010 04:12 PM
Hell Gate ralphmacey General Discussion (sailing related) 3 11-01-2007 12:00 PM
hell gate nyc cat271984 Seamanship & Navigation 3 07-23-2007 05:12 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:03 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.