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Re: Run down by a Tug or Barge

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And? Did you shoot him? Radar must be nice, maybe in my next life?

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Paul - you know I am unarmed. I met the other sailboat at the float.

If I have a forced choice between radar and a chartplotter, I will go with radar.

I require radar on any boat that I take offshore. I do like a simple GPS with lat long. When I rendezvoused with the container ship last summer the simple GPS got me to the location. AIS did help me to spot the container ship 25 miles away.
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Re: Run down by a Tug or Barge

as sailors, it is our responsibility to make sure we stay clear of those vessels and theor tows as they are not as maneuverable as are we. besides, we are supposed to grant 500 ft of safety zone for them under pat-riot act....so, how did they get into a collision, unless they didnt keep good watch.....
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Re: Run down by a Tug or Barge

Seems to be a misnomer on the thread title.

They weren't run down by a tug or barge, they cut between a tug and barge.

In the absence of a well calibrated radar, and a qualified operator of that radar it is vitally important that a) the watch fully understands light configurations and b) the skipper opts to sail with caution in busy waterways.

Let's be honest here. Assuming they were keeping a watch - the skipper opted to cut between two vessels that were moving at speed and only 900 feet apart.
6kts is roughly 600 feet per minute.
Seriously, they couldn't wait and pass astern?
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Re: Run down by a Tug or Barge

There's not a lot of detail on the SF incident, but the report on the Vancouver mishap found plenty of blame to spread around.

I would certainly hope that nobody would intentionally attempt to pass between a tug and its tow.. Most of these types of collisions come out of a lack of awareness that there was a tow in the picture. Add darkness, too many passengers and that attendant distraction, a new boater and the potential is magnified.. and if the tow operator adds factors of his own it's downright scary.

This type of thing hammers home the wisdom of taking the various power and sail squadron courses or equivalents.
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Re: Run down by a Tug or Barge

being between tug and tow is still the responsibilty of the sailor to prevent. is a very sad place to find self in, an d is difficult to avoid, unless you know how to read the tug's lights or signals..
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Re: Run down by a Tug or Barge

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Paul - you know I am unarmed. I met the other sailboat at the float.

If I have a forced choice between radar and a chartplotter, I will go with radar.

I require radar on any boat that I take offshore. I do like a simple GPS with lat long. When I rendezvoused with the container ship last summer the simple GPS got me to the location. AIS did help me to spot the container ship 25 miles away.
Right, I thought about that after I posted, wrong boat. All the great navigation tools available now. When my dad and I had a commercial salmon troller out of San Francisco we had a compass and an auto pilot, which made for some scary times going out the ship channel in the fog. No gun on board?

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Re: Run down by a Tug or Barge

you guys do realise that a vessel under tow is limited in its ability to maneuver and has right of way over a sailing vessel?
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Re: Run down by a Tug or Barge

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Seems to be a misnomer on the thread title.

They weren't run down by a tug or barge, they cut between a tug and barge.

In the absence of a well calibrated radar, and a qualified operator of that radar it is vitally important that a) the watch fully understands light configurations and b) the skipper opts to sail with caution in busy waterways.

Let's be honest here. Assuming they were keeping a watch - the skipper opted to cut between two vessels that were moving at speed and only 900 feet apart.
6kts is roughly 600 feet per minute.
Seriously, they couldn't wait and pass astern?
Chuckles,

I only know what I read in the first post. It appears that even at this time the details are a bit sparse:

Latitude 38 - 'Lectronic Latitude (second article down)

Not that it matters a whole lot, but from the article they were not in the Three Bridges Race. Bottom line is that they are extremely lucky to be alive. The water in the bay this time of year can be in the low 50's.

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Re: Run down by a Tug or Barge

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you guys do realise that a vessel under tow is limited in its ability to maneuver and has right of way over a sailing vessel?
Just to get picky

There is no right of way.

RAM would apply to the towing vessel IF they showed the appropriate dayshapes or lights.

Do anyone know if this was in the TSS? If so, rule 10 applies. There may also be harbour regulations in play.
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Re: Run down by a Tug or Barge

Well folks,

Lets not forget Colregs # 9 and 18.

Colregs #9:

In Rule 9 a vessel proceeding along the course of a narrow channel or fairway is obliged to keep "as near to the outer limit of the channel or fairway which lies on her starboard side as is safe and practicable." The same Rule obliges a vessel of less than 20 metres in length or a sailing vessel not to impede the passage of a vessel "which can safely navigate only within a narrow channel or fairway."

The Rule also forbids ships to cross a narrow channel or fairway "if such crossing impedes the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within such channel or fairway." The meaning "not to impede" was classified by an amendment to Rule 8 in 1987. A new paragraph (f) was added, stressing that a vessel which was required not to impede the passage of another vessel should take early action to allow sufficient sea room for the safe passage of the other vessel. Such vessel was obliged to fulfil this obligation also when taking avoiding action in accordance with the steering and sailing rules when risk of collision exists.


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