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What should I have done?

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#1 ·
Evening folks...
Just got back from a multi-day sail north on the Hudson and have a question.

First, my wife and I sail an 1982 Catalina 30 (tall-rig) that we''ve owned for exactly 1 year on Wednesday.

We where south of the Bear Mountain Bridge under full main and 150% genoa... not much of a breeze (about 2-3 knots). We were on the west side of the Hudson and had just completed our turn onto a port tack... I complained to my wife about the lack of wind (big mistake!) when out of nowhere came a howling 20-25 knot blow... not a sudden gust, a constant 20-25 knot wind from the north that literally sunk our toe-rail under water (first time we''ve experienced that) and filled the until then glass like Hudson with a nasty white capped chop.

After fumbling around for what seemed like an eternity (dunking the toe-rail two more times, I managed to head North into the wind, furl the wildling flailing jib, drop the main and turn on the engine.

Not exactly graceful and sailor like!

What I''m hoping for, is some indication of how I should have reacted in said situation.

Thank you all in advance for your help.

Regards,
Carlos
SV Rocinante
 
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#2 ·
Sounds like you ended up doing what you wanted to do. Perhaps not as rapidly and seamanlike as you would have wanted, but safely. As with flying, any landing you walk away from is O.K. You''ve now had practice for the next time. What SHOULD you have done? That depends. It might have been a really cool ride to have headed off towards Manhattan in that breeze -- but then you''d still have had to turn around at some point , and have had the same problem, possibly with worse waves, since they''d have had more ttime and fetch to build. You may have been able to conttinue sailing to windward under just the main, but you''d still have to get the genoa down or rolled up (150% is much too big for tthat much wind on that boat on that heading.) Even just the main might have been too much sail for comfortt in the breeze you had. Reefing the main would make things a bit less hairy and also make boathandling easier by being better balanced. With just the two of you, doing the takedowns and reefing could take a while. There are so many variables -- it sounds like you did just fine.
 
#4 ·
Thanks Paul, I appreciate the feedback.
I''ve been going through this in my head trying to figure out what to do next time so that it will be more of a reflex action as opposed to a series of potentially dangerous trial-and-error attempts to right the boat.

In the end, I think the problem was that I reacted to the situation as I would to a sudden gust, as opposed to a change in wind conditions...

Again, thanks for the input.

Carlos
SV Rocinante
 
#5 ·
Thanks 39512...

Actually, now that I think about it, I did start the engine first. I think more out of a need to keep the boat into the wind than because I anticipated that it might not start immediately or at all for that matter (wouldn''t be the first time).

Thanks again for your input,
Carlos
SV Rocinante
 
#6 ·
There probably is no universally correct answer in this situation as most of us that have been sailing for some time have been caught off guard especially when conditions seemed so benign. Resorting to the engine would NOT have been my first reaction, seems as if you had an abundance of propulsion power available at the time...the wind! Most auxiliary engines are not terribly effective at powering a sailboat into a 25-knot headwind anyway.

Given enough sea room I would have fallen way off the wind (in an effort to reduce the apparent wind) even if it meant heading in the opposite direction of your intended route and furled most of the headsail in. Then I would turn back into the wind, hardened the main to de-power it, let the traveler down and feather the boat into the wind until the conditions subsided. The Catalina 30 should be able to handle these conditions without much fuss. I would have gauged the situation and thrown in a reef while going up wind if the conditions warranted. A lot of valuable time is lost fumbling for the ignition switch, pre-heating the engine, taking it out of forward and putting it into neutral to start the engine.

I can’t understand why we as sailors rely so much on the piece of equipment we all hate to use, the iron maiden! What are we men or mice……pass the cheese please!
 
#7 ·
I''d add to the well-reasoned comments above the following: try not to be taken by suprise by the weather. You''ll never be able to do this 100%, but try nonetheless. Make sure you have a good NOAA mariner''s forecast for the day, and if it indicates possible gusts like the one you experienced, have a plan for reefing ready to go. As the day goes by, you can also check in on the WX VHF channels to see if anything noteworthy is developing. As you navigate, ask yourself frequently "what would I do right now if the wind died/gusted/shifted/...". The former also applies if you''re motoring--"what would I do right now if the engine died/won''t go into forward/reverse/...". And don''t forget "what would I do right now if someone falls overboard/another boat doesn''t seem to see me/my rig fails/..."

Also, sustained gusts like the one you describe are easy to see coming if you watch the water surface--you can see the oncoming wind usually as a darker, less-reflective area of water where the waves are enlarged. If you keep a "weather eye" out, you can be more prepared for these gusts by shortening sail ahead of time.

bw
 
#8 ·
A few thoughts. I can''t see any harm in starting the engine and letting it idle. Its a good safety especially if something goes wrong. 2nd a company named Oregon Scientific makes a handheld weather radio that you can program for your local area. If it gets a severe weather report for your area it wakes itself up and you start hearing the report.
 
#9 ·
Whatever the problem that you are responding to, the most important thing is to gain control of the problem as soon as possible. Your fear goes away as soon as you regain control. If you are a skilled sail handler, I agree with Denr, that you should reduce sail area and continue sailing, but if you have a hank-on headsail and/or are uncomfortable tucking in a reef other than at the dock, your better choice is probably to get the sails down and start the motor. Whenever I lower the sails, I take the jib down first, because, even if I''m singlehanding, the boat will self-steer on the mainsail alone with a lashed tiller or a tiller tamer or other self-steering mechanism. Denr''s suggestion to bear off downwind is also good. The sound and fury and excessive heeling dissipate when you head downwind, but you have to watch out for an accidental jibe.
 
#10 ·
as the Hudson lessens in width from the bend in the river just north of Peekskill Bay to the Bear Mtn. Bridge (with Anthony''s nose on the East side and the the hills on the west side) that area acts like a wind tunnel on many days.
Hopefully, you know that even with 25kt winds, you''re pretty safe in the Catalina 30 and the most that will happen is that you will round up into the wind. (after getting a bit wet) I always have 1 hand on the mainsheet and can blow the sheet at any time I feel like there''s too much wind.

Mike C.
CYC
Hudson River NY
 
#11 ·
I agree... my first reaction is to sheet out the main to depower it, then bear off a bit... heading up is good if you can''t uncleat the main, but it causes extensive flogging.

One other option, though it probably wouldn''t work with a big genoa up, would be to instantly tack, but leave the headsail cleated on the new windward side (backwinded), then push the tiller to leeward (turn the wheel to windward) and lock/lash it to effectively heave-to. Then, you could probably start to reduce sail... heaving to is a good tactic to learn, so, try it out on a less windy day to see how your boat responds.

Anyways it sounds like you did just fine!
 
#12 ·
Thanks Denr, I appreciate the feedback.
I agree. It bugs the hell out of me to depend on the engine. That''s one reason I posted the message. I figured at least a couple of people would have some suggestions that didn''t involve the engine. I''ll be sure to try your suggested sequence next time I have enough of a breeze out there.

To your point, last September, my wife and I were just about to turn onto our approach to home (Haverstraw Marina) at around 11:00 PM when the engine died. Naturally, it was raining, the weather was nasty and we were going against the current!

Anyway, after a number of expletives and several failed attempts to re-start (as we start to drift down river right towards the huge green buoy G25), it occurred to me that the SV in SV Rocinante stood for sailing vessel! I unfurled about 5-6 feet of the jib and slowly guided her into the marina and gently put her in her slip. OK, so the anchor did hit the dock-box, but all in all not bad. I don’t have to tell you I was proud as all hell that I got her home under sail.

Thanks again for the great advise,

Carlos
SV Rocinante
 
#13 ·
Thanks Maestro.
You nailed the location. That is exactly where we were. (just south of G31)
Yes, I have full confidence in my vessel; it''s the captain that still needs to garner more experience points!

Thanks again,

Carlos
SV Rocinante
 
#14 ·
Thanks Mdougan.
Funny, I''ve heaved to on a number of occasions, I guess it just didn''t come to mind since I never used it to get out of a situation like this before...

Thanks again,

Carlos
SV Rocinante
 
#15 ·
First reduce sail. With a roller reefed headsail that is easiest to reduce. Then put a reef in the mainsail. We have a Pearson 323 that doesn''t handle well without a headsail. But with roller reefing the genny has a poor shape. But the good news is that with a lot of wind even a poorly shaped headsail works good enough. I would prefer to have three different size hanked on headsails and may go to that eventually. I don''t know about a C-30. I had a Mac 26 that sailed just fine with only a mainsail. With the mac I would have dropped the genny and maybe put on the working jib and reefed the main. Over 25 knots the mac worked well with a double reefed main alone.
 
#17 ·
Another point to consider:

In those conditions it isn''t hard to imagine in the middle of everything else a line going overboard (sheet, halyard, whatever). If your first action is to start the engine, even if it''s out of gear, you have set yourself up for the famous scenario of engine being stopped by line in prop. Won''t happen if the engine isn''t running. If you''ve developed a habit of relying on the engine to get you out of trouble, you''ve most likely neglected the habit of sailing out of trouble.

Frank
 
#18 ·
so you took down all the sails and turned on the motor?when you dont know what to do thats ok,but you should have been more prepaired before you left that day.I single handed to hawaii from california and back on a 26 and a 28 foot sloop.I always ran with nothing bigger thad a good working jib with reef points.They can be used in a blow,or a lite air.when I began to feel the boat start to shake as in from the pumping of the mast,I reefed the main immediately and deeply.And it was always at some absurd hour of the nite like 3am.I amnow prepairing my 4th boat for a shake down cruise from west palm florida,to bermuda,then south to the us virgin isles then back to florida.this will total 3000 miles to add on to my 15000 plus miles of mostly open ocean single handed sailing
 
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