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Re: Sleeping While at Sea

wonder how you folks who are not racing deal with it. in past even when double handed have taken to have alarm set to go off every 20m and scan horizon, look at instruments, sails etc. Would cat nap in cockpit during the day and strict watch at night. On shelf or shipping channel no sleeping by the watch person. Had radar detection device on prior boat which would set off alarm if it detected any radar ( used very little juice). On current boat will set up exclusion zone on radar as less concerned about electrical use. Leave on standby and scan every 20m or so. Wake both of us if any target appears.Thinking is if tired want both of us to do the math and make sure there is no close intercept. So far main problem has been small recreational fish boats running to canyons and not showing up on anything when sailing coastal. A lot of them take off in the dark of early morning. Live in fear of being hit. Would appreciate others thoughts on avoidance.
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Re: Sleeping While at Sea

AIS is a good thing to have, but not every fishing boat in these parts has and AIS transponder...

When you think about it, it's probably the fishermen who stand a greater chance of being run down whilst sleeping simply due to their proximity to the coast and the fact that they aren't necessarily travelling anyplace whilst asleep (they're not on passage from A to B). For this reason I suspect the original post might be meant more as a warning to fishermen that they'll get fined if 'caught napping' so they'd better stay awake..

Whether you're single-handing or not, most definitely live in fear of being hit - and don't expect any leniency from the courts if you get run down whilst alseep. Everyone has probably forgotten by now Jessica Watson's scrape with a container ship before successfully sailing solo around the world, but it does stand to show that with the right gear and the right procedures it can be done in safety.
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Re: Sleeping While at Sea

Is a drifting boat being operated?
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Re: Sleeping While at Sea

By the purist definition a single hander can never maintain a proper watch, even while he/she is alert an at the helm.

A watch is a watch, un-distracted by anything including minding the helm.
Inland rules, where it matters for most of us.

Rule 5
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight
and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the
prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal
of the situation and of the risk of collision.

Bold added by me.
At all times means just that. Farting with a chartplotter, staring at a sail's trim etc - not a proper watch at all times.
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Re: Sleeping While at Sea

No surprise, Jack. Some of us presume that any vessel may not be keeping a proper watch, until proven otherwise. Some folks call that paranoia. Well, now the USCG is saying, gee, they think there are vessels not keeping a watch. Maybe they're just parnoid too? (sigh)
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Re: Sleeping While at Sea

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Is a drifting boat being operated?
"Operated" is not a ColRegs term. A vessel adrift is still underway.
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You have far more experience than I do - do you agree with my interpretation above or am I being extreme?
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Re: Sleeping While at Sea

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You have far more experience than I do - do you agree with my interpretation above or am I being extreme?
It can be a case of assume the worst, hope for the best.

I have been overtaken at night in Georgia Strait by a fish boat that clearly did not see me, I had to alter course to avoid to being run down.

Remember Rule 17(a) (ii)

Rule 17- Action by Stand-on Vessel
(a) (i) Where one of two vessels is to keep out of the way, the other shall keep her course and speed.

(ii) The latter vessel may however take action to avoid collision by her maneuver alone, as soon as it becomes apparent to her that the vessel required to keep out of the way is not taking appropriate action in compliance with these Rules.
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"Operated" is not a ColRegs term. A vessel adrift is still underway.
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The word "underway" means that a vessel is not at anchor, or made fast to the shore, or aground.
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Re: Sleeping While at Sea

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By the purist definition a single hander can never maintain a proper watch, even while he/she is alert an at the helm.

A watch is a watch, un-distracted by anything including minding the helm.
Inland rules, where it matters for most of us.

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At all times means just that. Farting with a chartplotter, staring at a sail's trim etc - not a proper watch at all times.
So, it is you or your wife that seats in the bow of the boat with binoculars in one hand scanning endlessly the horizon while the other sails the boat?

Or you just don't go strictly by the rules as all of us?

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