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George - The trollers that I see do not exhibit the dayshapes because they know they are not "engaged in fishing". Paul's boat showed no day shapes.

I do not interfere with their work when I am at play. (Usually I am working too, but there is no dayshape or lights for an vessel engaged in instruction.)

They should be a dayshape and lights for a vessel under the control of someone unaware of ColRegs, perhaps a cone with the apex up.


Excellent idea, but let's graft it onto an existing Rule for ease of IMO approval and Colregs implementation, here goes:

"New Rule 27(i):

A vessel under the control of one who is free of knowledge of the COLREGS and proud of it, including vessels not trawling but just fishing who are sorta maybe a little, but not really, restricted in ability to maneuver but wish they were, and want right of way status regardless, shall exhibit:

(i) a lava lamp ("I'm not paying attention, or am actively ignoring you");
(ii) below said lamp, two all-round red lights in a vertical line
("Captain is dead--well,okay, maybe just brain-dead");
(iii) two balls in a vertical line, with a green, yellow and purple Dunce Cap ("Happy Mardi Gras!") atop the upper ball.


And under new Rule 34(g):

A vessel subject to new Rule 27(i) shall sound, at one minute intervals, on
a whistle designed for such purpose, at least one of the following:

(i) the "Whoopee Cushion" sound;
(ii) the Homer Simpson "D'oh!" sound;
(iii) the Woody Woodpecker cackle call.



Think that might clear things up? ;-)
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A clearer defintion is needed.
The Colregs folks do a good job of defining things, including those things that most of us think we understand.

My favourite:

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(k | j) Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight of one another only when one can be observed visually from the other.
I would love to know what precipitated the need for that one.
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I think we require a sound signal for said vessels - maybe 5 long blasts = "My intentions are unclear." Rule 34(d)(i)
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Re: You are NOT "FISHING"

Re the definition of "in sight of", it might be there to emphasize that the Section II Rules (11-18) don't apply when you "see" each other by radar or AIS, but rather only when you see each other visually?
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Re: You are NOT "FISHING"

So, unless we are properly displaying the day shape we are not “engaged in fishing”. If that is the case, if a boater is anchored, but not displaying a black ball, then he is considered as under way (but not under sail) and he must give way if I’m under sail? Who here has a black ball and for those who do, how many display it? I’m beginning to think that Jack is spending way too much time in the protest room as he is getting way too sea lawyerly on us. The main point about the Collregs is for each skipper to understand his rolls and responsibilities in order to avoid collisions and not how best to litigate if one does occur.
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Re: You are NOT "FISHING"

If a boat violates the COLREGS and no one notices can the skipper's wife still tell him that he's wrong?
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I think we require a sound signal for said vessels - maybe 5 long blasts = "My intentions are unclear." Rule 34(d)(i)
You don't like the Homer Simpson whistle??? Can be done in short blasts, quicker.
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Who here has a black ball and for those who do, how many display it?
The rules excuse vessels under certain lengths and conditions.

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e) A vessel proceeding under sail when also being propelled by machinery shall exhibit forward where it can best be seen a conical shape, apex downwards. A vessel of less than 12 meters in length is not required to exhibit this shape, but may do so.

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g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule.
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Re: You are NOT "FISHING"

With Jack around, I’m thinking that having a lawyer on board might not be a bad thing. Jack, what you are saying is a vessel under 12 meters does not have to display day shapes while motor sailing. Interesting insomuch we all display the steaming light at night, but no one displays the day shape. The second paragraph is saying is vessels under 12 meters and in a special anchorage do not have to display a black ball. It is silent for all other locations which would indicate that said vessel would have to hoist the black ball. I tried like heck to find the special anchorages on a chart but no luck – you have to copy down the coordinates from the Federal Register. If anybody has them on a chart for Northern California, I love to get a copy, As finding a “special anchorage” is nigh impossible (and chances are they are not where we like to anchor), shouldn’t we be flying the black ball all the time just to be on the safe side? Lawyer Jack, what say you?
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As finding a “special anchorage” is nigh impossible (and chances are they are not where we like to anchor), shouldn’t we be flying the black ball all the time just to be on the safe side?
Special anchorages are marked on the charts. There aren't many.

The answer to your question is yes.
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