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I'm just saying that, reading the rule standing alone, if I were driving a fishing charter vessel and trolling a few hundred yards of line and a floater-thing, I would sure believe -- in good faith -- that I'm fishing under the COLREGs. Is there any written authority that says I'm not?
Rule 3d of the COLREGS specifically states that the definition of a "vessel engaged in fishing" does NOT include vessels trolling lines. (see also above)

If you are trolling you can easily alter course. You may not WANT to alter course, but there is really nothing preventing you from doing so.

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I'm just saying that, reading the rule standing alone, if I were driving a fishing charter vessel and trolling a few hundred yards of line and a floater-thing, I would sure believe -- in good faith -- that I'm fishing under the COLREGs. Is there any written authority that says I'm not?
As someone else noted, black cones would be flown during the day & at night, green touching white means fishing at night. I've never seen these type of signals on a 6 pack charter or recreational boat therefore, IMHO they are the give way vessel.

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Re: You are NOT "FISHING"

The term "vessel engaged in fishing" means any vessel fishing with nets, lines, trawls, or other fishing apparatus which restrict maneuverability, but does not include a vessel fishing with trolling lines or other fishing apparatus which do not restrict manageability.

I guess it does depend on the definition of manageability.


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As someone else noted, black cones would be flown during the day & at night, green touching white means fishing at night. I've never seen these type of signals on a 6 pack charter or recreational boat therefore, IMHO they are the give way vessel.
I believe in the past (not sure when it changed) smaller boats engaged in fishing were not required to display day shapes.

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Re: You are NOT "FISHING"

nolatom interpretations are correct.

There is a difference between a fishing boat and a vessel engaged in fishing, just as there is a difference between a sailboat and a sailing vessel.

A vessel engaged in fishing must show shapes.

Even a large troller is not restricted in their ability to maneuver. I have had them give way to me while I was a sailing vessel. One of the skippers came down the dock at Ucluelet to tell me how much he enjoyed seeing us under sail out there.

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As someone else noted, black cones would be flown during the day & at night, green touching white means fishing at night. I've never seen these type of signals on a 6 pack charter or recreational boat therefore, IMHO they are the give way vessel.
Red over white is fishing at night, green over white is trawling at night. Apex to apex cones or a basket in the day.

No shapes makes them a power-driven vessel, period.

I do try to avoid getting fishing lines tangled on the keel or rudder.

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As SOLARE pointed out, sometimes thems fisher type boats are thick as bees on our section of the Chesapeake!

This really boils down to the guy being a jerk. And while you can "assume" they have a planer board out, you can't really see those things too easily. SOME of the boats have a little vertical stick w/ a flag... some don't. NONE of the fishing boats, charter or private fly any day shapes.

For the record I try to stay away from them as well as the crabbers. The crabbers have a hard enough living but trying to figure out where they are going next is impossible; they're kinda like a bumblebee flitting from flower to flower!

And to finish this off, Sunday AM as we were coming up the Bay there was a tug pushing coming south. I hailed him on 13 to see if was going to the west channel or was going to turn east. He told me his intentions and suggested one whistle. While it meant turning off course a bit to take his stern and losing speed due to the wind angle, at that point it wasn't going to hurt us; we only lost a couple of minutes and he would have had a time trying to turn and avoid US.
I'm guessing the positive interactions outnumber the lousy ones by at least 30 or 40 to 1. Just too bad this yahoo (and his buddy a few minutes later felt the need to lob verbal bombs our way.
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The term "vessel engaged in fishing" means any vessel fishing with nets, lines, trawls, or other fishing apparatus which restrict maneuverability, but does not include a vessel fishing with trolling lines or other fishing apparatus which do not restrict manageability.

I guess it does depend on the definition of manageability.
Right. I've got hundreds of feet of line out. If I turn or maneuver, they'll get tangled. That restricts my manageability.

At least that's what I'd argue if I was the fishing boat.
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I'm just saying that, reading the rule standing alone, if I were driving a fishing charter vessel and trolling a few hundred yards of line and a floater-thing, I would sure believe -- in good faith -- that I'm fishing under the COLREGs. Is there any written authority that says I'm not?
Yes, it's right there in the regulations. They clearly define trolling as NOT qualifying you as the stand-on vessel.

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Right. I've got hundreds of feet of line out. If I turn or maneuver, they'll get tangled. That restricts my manageability.

At least that's what I'd argue if I was the fishing boat.
Good luck with that.
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