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When I've heard a distress call to Baltimore the first question from the CG is "is everyone wearing a PFD?" Never heard a request for call sign or registration number. Proper protocol on VHF is honored mostly in the breach.
Really? So how does the CG identify which vessel they are directing the comments/questions to? They simply go back and forth like two bass fisherman on 68? What happens when a third or forth vessel gets involved? Hard to believe.
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Really? So how does the CG identify which vessel they are directing the comments/questions to? They simply go back and forth like two bass fisherman on 68? What happens when a third or forth vessel gets involved? Hard to believe.
They address the boat by the name given by the caller. Not rocket science!
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Really? So how does the CG identify which vessel they are directing the comments/questions to? They simply go back and forth like two bass fisherman on 68? What happens when a third or forth vessel gets involved? Hard to believe.
Seriously? If they don't have the information from the original hailing, then they ask the vessel to identify themselves and their location. How hard is that?

Also, if you've listened to VHF in a busy area, CG will call for radio silence except for them and the hailing vessel during an emergency. When people chime in by accident, they will reiterate the radio silence.

What's hard to believe is that although you've started this thread with a question, and experienced people have given you answers, you act like a troll in your own thread. Is your goal to annoy people? You don't seem very satisfied with reasonable answers to your OP.
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I would say the majority of vessels along the Maine coast are documented and not displaying state numbers...
I have many hundreds of pics of boats in Maine with no bow numbers....
And felt compelled to show most of them. To prove what...that documented boats don't need numbers on the hull? That's a given as far as I'm concerned, but doesn't matter. As I said in post #5:
"Having come to the aid of several vessels, I can assure you that by the time you can see a boat's name or number, you usually know it's the boat in question. I would also assume it's useless to a CG helicopter. That's probably why the CG usually asks the skipper to wave something bright to identify the vessel when they, or another boat is in the area. I've done the same. You want to make sure you are heading for the right boat, long before you can read her name. Especially when your top speed is about 6.5 knots (as in my case!)"
This weekend, the CG was asking Vessel Assist if a Bayliner they were helping was blue and white. Vessel Assist responded "Have you ever seen a Bayliner that wasn't?"
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Names are supposed to be placed on the transom.
I believe that's only required for commercial vessels, which also must have the name on the port and starboard bow. For recreational boats it just has to be clearly visible on the hull somewhere.
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They address the boat by the name given by the caller. Not rocket science!
I'm confused. I thought your point was that the CG didn't request the identity (name/number) of the vessel in your area. Therefore, it would be more than "Rocket Science"...it would be telepathy!
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Seriously? If they don't have the information from the original hailing, then they ask the vessel to identify themselves and their location. How hard is that?
Please...read BEFORE you post. Here is the post I was referring to:
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When I've heard a distress call to Baltimore the first question from the CG is "is everyone wearing a PFD?" Never heard a request for call sign or registration number. Proper protocol on VHF is honored mostly in the breach.
(bold letters added by me.)
As I read this, it seems the point is that the identity of the boat is of little significance. My point is that it's only of significance if you want to communicate effectively. Probably why it is the first item listed in the Mayday protocol, after "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday".
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Also, if you've listened to VHF in a busy area, CG will call for radio silence except for them and the hailing vessel during an emergency. When people chime in by accident, they will reiterate the radio silence.
Is the San Francisco bay busy enough for you? I've never heard the CG call for radio silence (though, often they will move the communication to 22). They shouldn't have to, as you are supposed to monitor a channel for two minutes before broadcasting (Maydays not withstanding of course). Even with "radio silence" how would three involved boats and the CG communicate without ID? The skit "Who's on first, What's on second" comes to mind!
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What's hard to believe is that although you've started this thread with a question, and experienced people have given you answers, you act like a troll in your own thread. Is your goal to annoy people? You don't seem very satisfied with reasonable answers to your OP.
I start and participate in threads to learn and exchange ideas. If you review this thread, you will see that I have "liked" several posts. On the other hand, some have posted with apparent authority, who's posts simply didn't hold up to logic IMO. I'm going to call BS when I see it. If that's being a "Troll" so be it! If it "irritates" you, avoid my threads, as I'll do it every time!
While CG protocol seems to vary more than I would have anticipated from state to state, I find it "hard to believe" (though possible) that they don't care about the identity of the boat they are talking to. Here, they usually say "US Coast Guard, Lady Lea"....How many people on board ?"(for example) with every transmission.
So...now that you have read the post I was referring to, and based on your nonresponsive response, I assume we agree that the identity of the vessel (regardless of how it is obtained) is important for effective radio communications? (They don't have a troll emoticon or I would have used it.)

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Re: VHF Protocol

Thanks for the education. I read the entire thread before posting, including the devolution of the thread's original post and question.

We agree - having a positive way to identify a boat is important. I was replying to your post I quoted, however, regarding how the CG identifies a hailing vessel when they don't give information.

While the CG shouldn't have to call for radio silence, I'm sure you've come across people who do not observe radio protocol. "They shouldn't have to" call for silence is like saying the police "shouldn't have to" pull people over for speeding, because people know not to speed.

Not to worry about your threads - I'll know to steer clear from your abrasive attitude in the future. I know I'm not the only person you've rubbed the wrong way with your confrontational demeanor. I hope that the meaning behind your words was lost in poor internet interpretation; it's hard to add appropriate emphasis to speech in type format. Fair sailing to you.
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Re: VHF Protocol

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I believe that's only required for commercial vessels, which also must have the name on the port and starboard bow. For recreational boats it just has to be clearly visible on the hull somewhere.
"FEDERALLY DOCUMENTED VESSELS -- The Requirements Are:
The Name of Vessel and Hailing Port, to include City and State, must be located TOGETHER on some clearly visible exterior part of the hull. The letters and numbers can be made by the use of any means and materials which result in durable markings. They must be made in clearly legible letters of the Latin alphabet or Arabic or Roman numbers, all of which are NOT LESS THAN FOUR (4) INCHES IN HEIGHT (all characters). Above reviewed by the United States Coast Guard office of Boating Safety on: 12/16/04"

http://www.usps.org/national/vsc/pol.../vesselreg.pdf

Not sure, but for State registered vessels, I figure the display of the numbers is more proscribed than display of the boat name.
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Re: VHF Protocol

Have been told generally good idea to put numbers on dinghy and nothing else even if mother vessel has O.N. documentation. That way nefarious folks are not cued in if you are on or off your boat by checking out which dinghies are at the dinghy dock. Just saying.
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