Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Blogs               
Boat Search (new)





Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest Forums > Seamanship
User Name
Password
 Not a Member? 


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 Like this article?  Digg It!  or   Bookmark it!
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 06-03-2008
nolatom nolatom is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 791
Rep Power: 4
nolatom will become famous soon enough
Good advice above. I wouldn't try to tack rudderless without a jib, you really do need some center-of-effort forward to pull that bow around with a backed jib.

And in a small boat, don't ignore crew weight placement. Generally a boat's bow (and the relationship between center of effort and center of lateral resistance) will steer you away from the direction in which you heel her. So heel the boat to leeward if you want to head up and initiate a tack, and to windward if you want to head down and jibe. Dinghy sailors learn this early on as a matter of "body English", but it can apply to the heavier boats as well. Without a rudder, you need all the help you can get, and this may be enough extra help to get you through the tack or jibe.

Last edited by nolatom : 06-03-2008 at 02:23 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 06-04-2008
Rockter Rockter is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,616
Rep Power: 3
Rockter is on a distinguished road
Thanks.

So I kill the jib quickly, then centre the main, trying to keep the boat moving a wee bit, then backwind the main. It's awfully big, so I reckon I would have to use the mid boom kicking strap.
I will practice again next time.

I could not hold her without a rudder on a gybe, so I cannot picture how that would work.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 06-04-2008
Plumper's Avatar
Plumper Plumper is offline
Sailor
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Vancouver Island
Posts: 844
Rep Power: 2
Plumper is on a distinguished road
It is all about center of effort. To bring the boat head to wind move the center of effort in the sails aft. (accomplished by easing the jib or oversheeting the main) To bear away move the center of effort forward. (accomplished by over sheeting the jib or easing the main. If you spend a day on a windsurfer it all becomes obvious. Sail forward - bear away. Sail back - head up.
__________________
There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
Shakespeare, Julius Caesar IV, iii, 217
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Ad
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 06-04-2008
nolatom nolatom is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 791
Rep Power: 4
nolatom will become famous soon enough
so also does the weight placement become more obvious on a small boat. But less obvious in a larger boat, so Rockter, it's a fairly subtle thing. You may end up in irons a few times (or on the other end, unable to steer through a jibe, which most experienced sailors can't do on a bet anyway) before you get the knack, but keep at it. It will teach you a lot about balance in a sailboat anyway.

Or, in a perfect world, don't lose your rudder. Most sailors don't (me included), that's why they don't know how to answer your question from experience, rather than from theory.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 06-04-2008
therapy23's Avatar
therapy23 therapy23 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 235
Rep Power: 2
therapy23 is on a distinguished road
I did it twice on a 19 Westerly Nimrod oh so many years ago.

Rudder popped off and was lost. Outboard would not start. Crew (friends) near panic -- OOhhh what are we going to do.......Oh Oh.....

Easy on that boat.

Just sailed it back and picked up the rudder.

Lucky it floated.

CE and heel angle - two sheets in hand - and a little dancing.

I used to practice docking without the motor. Many with me could not figure me out. Still can't I suppose.

Good for you to practice.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cruising Multihull Sail Trim Kevin Jeffrey Buying a Boat Articles 0 10-05-2004 09:00 PM
A Lean, Mean, Sailing Machine Mark Matthews Miscellaneous 0 03-01-2004 08:00 PM
Sailing Basics Steve Colgate Her Sailnet Articles 0 03-09-2003 08:00 PM
New Year's Resolutions:
Make Your Sailing Better in 2003
Don Casey Miscellaneous 0 12-22-2002 08:00 PM
Great Books for Beginners Mark Matthews Gear and Maintenance Articles 0 01-27-2000 08:00 PM

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC8
(c) Sailnet 2000-2006