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The USCG doesn't know squat about the RoR. They're an administrative organization and they happen to publish the damn book.

I'm going to bow out on this discussion. There's been speculation enough. The proper signal to use is any of those approved as signals to attract attention. Correct, there is no specific signal assigned to a vessel at anchor in good visibility. So, see signals to attract attention. Ignorance of ho 102 is not an excuse nor is the ignorance of education.

And before everyone on the other side of this gets over-heated let me say that I went through this. I SOUNDED THE DANGER SIGNAL REPEATEDLY. The court did not hold our vessel, myself, the third mate or her master at fault. They assigned us zero liability. But they also said that the danger signal was not the appropriate signal, the rules only allowed for it to be used by vessels underway, and that the master of the SL-7 was only given probation on his license due to the reasonable doubt in his mind by our use of that signal. The guy hit us on an almost full moon night with unlimited visibility, our deck lit up like a carnival, and he got not even a slap on the wrist. The court expressed that 'Uniform' would have been the whistle signal probably appropriate. I took the opportunity to check with the three instructors who teach the various courses in RoR at the US Merchant Marine Academy and all three confirmed that the danger signal is only for vessels underway. Obviously, it was news to me!

You guys can believe whatever you damn well please. I spent the better part of a day in lovely Philadelphia in a proceeding that is designed to make your hair hurt, in a professional sense. By the time you're done with one of those you wonder what you possibly did that was correct! I got the message from them loud and clear and while I may not know if my dog loves me, my wife is faithful to me, or that the sun rises in the east-I do know that you do not use the danger signal while at anchor. (g)
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I can't find the report of the incident on the net. I would really like to read it.

Sailaway, try not to get too excited about the discussion.
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I'm installing a new deck hardware: 4" iron cannon... That should be sufficient to warn or sink any encounters
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The guy hit us on an almost full moon night with unlimited visibility, our deck lit up like a carnival, and he got not even a slap on the wrist. The court expressed that 'Uniform' would have been the whistle signal probably appropriate. (g)
Sailaway did you get the feeling that something was amiss with the proceedings? Maybe what you observed was not the adjudication of maritime law but the legal stamp on a decision made in a back room.
If you had used Uniform I get the feeling they would have said it was obscure and 5 beeps would have been "prudent".
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No I did not and neither did the RoR experts I spoke with. We on the Williams used the wrong signal. Other factors, not the least of which common sense, dictated that even with the wrong signal, even no signal at all, the alision should never have happened.
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No I did not and neither did the RoR experts I spoke with. We on the Williams used the wrong signal. Other factors, not the least of which common sense, dictated that even with the wrong signal, even no signal at all, the alision should never have happened.
So I would find it interesting if in other similar cases a captain runs down another ship and gets off with almost no punishment.
I am not a lawyer but have the opportunity to observe many of them work. When things don't make sense it usually means there is missing information.

What is an alision?
What is a RoR?
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