Jibing Completely Sheeted Out

[captbillc]

Originally Posted by Faster

"Chicken Jibe" is the term we've always used for that maneouver, and it is the opposite of "wearing".

For 23 years we sailed in a predominately heavy wind region, and often resorted to the 'chicken' rather than risk a conventional jibe. Depending on the boat, though, you need to execute that move properly or you can end up in irons. On a nimble boat you can simply spin her around "the long way" and fall off on the other jibe, on others you'll need to trim the main throughout to 'drive' the boat through the long tack.

Faster ! the chicken jibe you refer to is a tack where the bow comes about into and through the wind to the other tack. you are right about having enough way on to carry you through to the other tack so you don't end up in irons. a jibe is when the stern goes through the wind. ( in Chapman Piloting, Seamanship & Small Boat Handling) captbillc

[Faster]

Originally Posted by captbillc

Faster ! the chicken jibe you refer to is a tack where the bow comes about into and through the wind to the other tack. you are right about having enough way on to carry you through to the other tack so you don't end up in irons. a jibe is when the stern goes through the wind. ( in Chapman Piloting, Seamanship & Small Boat Handling) captbillc

Thank you, Captbillc.... but I actually do know the difference between a tack and a jibe, (despite not owning Chapmans.)

The reason it's referred to as a Chicken "jibe" is that it gets you from one off-the-breeze tack to the other without the difficulties of a true jibe in heavy breezes.. it is by definition a long tack around.

[Valiente]

Originally Posted by anthony11

Any suggestions for decent non-leather sailing gloves? I've not been able to find any.

Full finger bicycle gloves work for me, and as they are meant to be used in the rain, they can be had without leather.

[AE28]

Originally Posted by anthony11

Any suggestions for decent non-leather sailing gloves? I've not been able to find any.

Maybe I'm just doing it wrong, or maybe the fact that we're lake sailors doing more sheet handling per hour than big water sailors, but non-leather gloves would defeat the purpose for me.
They're sorta like zincs - expendable. A pair of leather gloves only lasts me two or three seasons.
Paul

[Valiente]

Well, if you want to be really economical, treat yourself to $1.99 gardening gloves, the cloth ones with the little rubber dots for grip on them. I've seen those in sunshine, and rubber dishwashing gloves in rain.

[msterns1]

Good God, look what happens when I leave the "Net" for a few days to go sailing! Now you're on garden gloves....

To SR - it was their boat, not mine. But next time I'm in the same situation (assuming I know I'm right, which is more the case as I gain more experience/confidence), I won't care whose boat it is.

To Chuckles - Yes, they were reported when I was down on the dock the next day for another sail and happened to notice the boat "yellow-tagged". The guy repairing the damage was ver-r-y interested to hear the details and told me that the owner of the club would be sitting down with the 2 of them first thing Monday morning. I know there are no guarantees when you respond to an email, etc., but you would hope that asking a few questions about certification level (bareboat cruising), time out on the water (monthly x 4 yrs. including overnights) and boats sailed would ensure a minimum proficiency and common sense level. The most amazing thing to me was that it was not just one, but two of them with the same bad habits.

Any suggestions for better screening without hiring a private detective would be appreciated!

[sailingdog]

I would highly recommend getting a set of the "JetPilot" brand PWC gloves... they've very comfortable and pretty damn near indestructible. About $16 a pair, but very comfortable and tough. Made from 1 mm neoprene mostly.

Originally Posted by anthony11

Any suggestions for decent non-leather sailing gloves? I've not been able to find any.

Sorry, been mainly off line sailing, kayaking and such. No internet access there and didn't carry my laptop.... as it doesn't like salt water... I'd recommend installing a boom brake, if you own the boat... it is easier to use than a preventer and safer in some ways... since it doesn't "trap" the boom in a specific location. Of the major brands, Dutchman, Scott Boomlock, and Wichard Gybeasy, I prefer the Dutchman. It is the most adjustable and most reasonably priced IMHO.

Originally Posted by T34C

Good Lord, how has this thread progressed this far without SD- repeatedly shouting the merits of a boom brake????

[Stonehenge]

Call me a landlubber, but in all the years of sailing our Danish Folkboat in the S.F. Bay Area, Dad just didn't jibe....period. And he won a lot of races. He just didn't want to risk demasting a classic boat! It's always an unnecessarily risky move...especially in the gusty bay area.

Eric

[chb421]

I guess another note to add is to watch the wind around you. If the wind is building up behind you and you can wait to gybe, do so. Time your gybes so that you're not gybing in the middle of a gust. Also a lot of times gusts may have a different heading than the prevailing winds, so that could make it a little more difficult.

The only time I've ever seen a boat round up during a controller gybe (sheeted in main) is when it was turned too quickly in the gybe. I've been able to gybe dinghies in 30+ knots by gybing the jib first (wing on wing), then very slowly changing direction enough that the main dies and I can pull it over with my hand. Then trim main appropriately. Is this not everyone else's experience?