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For a simple, get started book, I recommend "One Day Celestial Navigation" by Otis S. Brown.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/156...lance&n=283155

It doesn't go real deep into the subject but it's a great primer. Kinda a Celestial Nav for dummies type of book.
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John Letcher's book and a plastic sextant

(1) Self-Contained Celestial Navigation with H.O. 208, ( John S. Letcher, Jr. )
(2) Plastic Sextant: Splurge and get a $150 plastic drum sextant but the $40 cheapest vernier scale will work just fine.
(3) IF you are serious about practice...... then spring for a $100-$200 aircraft bubble sextant and you can practice in your front yard or on the roof of your apt building. Artificial horizons work, but are a royal pain and dramatically limit the sights you can take. Air sextant won't work in bubble mode on the boat unless it is dead calm but there are a few models that have 'horizon mode and can be used for land/air/marine. (e.g. Navy Mark V, // note: parts service avil from Celestaire)

Not sure what to say about the comment that "plastic sextants tend to warp". I have seen many, have two and never saw a warped one, but it could happen. VW's tend to get crushed....what's that really mean? I see a lot of them around and drove one for years. Checking for proper calibration and then adjustment for any sextant errors is a very simple and straight forward procedure and so it not like the errors just creep up one you and leave you stranded. On a stable platfom like an aircraft carrier the $1000 sextant will out perform ( by a mile or two ) the plastic sextant, however on the deck of boat under 100' is much more like an even race.


Look for most any book by 'David Burch' who is the founder of the Starpath navigation school. He is a great writer/navigator/teacher. Particuraly "Emergency Navigation" which really is => most of the possible pathfinding techniquies for the prudent mariner.

The wonderful thing about Letcher's book is (a) he is a very good writer, (2) included EVERYTHING needed to navigate in that book. The sight reduction method HO 208 requires a little bit of math but is VERY compact. Most others such as HO 214, 229, 249 do most all the calculations and you just look things up in tables BUT there are expensive and very very big on the book shelf of a small boat. If you have a 70' schooner then 'no worries mate'. The only thing that is out of date in the book is a 25 year nautical almanac (1975-2000) that was good until 2000. It can be reconstructed from information in Bowitch. Such an almanac is limited to Sun and stars but is cheap and easy to obtain. Not bad to have it all in one book. As of July 7th 2006 there are 7 copies on AMAZON for under $20 and right now two copies are $9.99, you need to add, $3.49 media rate shipping, of course.

Plan on finding out ABOUT where you are rather than the GPS mentality of exactly where you are. About means plus or minus 2 to 10 miles. That works well if you do things like aim for a point to the side of your actual destination. If you hit the coast of ??? after a 800nm passage and you don't recognize anything.....where are you and which way do you head to find it. IF you know you should be a 10-15 miles north then you head south and of course prevailing winds and currents play into your inital choice of a landfall so as to have an easy run to the actual destination. As one gains practice and confidence and if conditions are prime for many good sights then it would make sense to narrow the margin and maybe even have the first sight of land be 'IT".

....... and on and on and on ........ best of luck enjoy!


OH! all the other sources and books mentioned elsewhere are good to have, but the Letcher is "book in one hand, sextant in the other and cross an ocean", the book will teach you and then you just use it (just need to update the almanac).

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ok, I''m not claiming I NEED to know this, and I''m not looking to start a flame war, I''m just saying I WANT to learn it, and was wondering if I could get some feedback from people who do, as to what a decent, inexpensive sextant is, and where I can find a decent book on the subject. How do I learn to do this, and once I can, how acurate can I realisticly expect to be?

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You are right you do not need to know celestial but if you do learn it you will be a better mariner. Celestial navigation is a joy once learn it gives you a level of self confindence you will never get from a GPS. To get started try a very inexpensive sextant from Davis. They are plastic but do the job just fine and later can be used as a spare or packed in a life raft. The best book to get started with is a small book by Stafford Campbell "The yachtsman's Guide to Celestial Navigation, it does not get into the heavy theory or mathamatics, simple addition and subtraction does it nicely. With a little practice you should be able to come to within a mile or two of your actual position, remember celestial is Ocean nav where and errror of a mile will not hurt you. When coastal piloting using modern electronics and traditional dead reckoning works well.
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